On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 06:49:30PM +1030, stephen white wrote:
> On 13/10/2008, at 5:52 PM, michael gould wrote:
> > ...is that an important characteristic of neogeography (it's not  
> > JUST new
> > geography) is that it breaks down the barrier between geo-expert and
> > geo-novice.
> 
> Only by reducing everyone to novices.

Bah. That might have been true 3 years ago, but it's not anymore. Sure,
you don't see detailed geographic analysis being undertaken by novices,
but people who clearly fall into the category of geo-novices
have started using software like GeoDjango to create applications which
use relatively complex geographic data analysis as the software has
become available which makes it possible/easy.

http://www.walkscore.com/rankings/Boston is an analysis performed solely
with Google Local search results and PostGIS -- something which would
have been impossible before the creation of 'neogeography'. The creator
of the tool is definitely someone that I would say has much moe of a
neogeography background than a GIS background, and regardless of his
particular experience, simply using the analysis is definitely done by
many people who are definitely not GIS trained.

5 years ago, this kind of analysis would never have ben published in a
way that normal users could see it. Now, 30,000 people a day are looking
at it. Using GIS-like output to make a decision seems to me like the
entire thing that Neogeography has been helping to allow, and I don't
see how this is any less "GIS-like" than much of the work done in
traditional GIS environments.

To me, this is what neogeography is about: Not, specifically, making the
masses GIS analysts who build the data, but having a larger set of
people using somewhat newer tools to expand the usage of GIS-style
analyses to the rest of teh world who can use them without getting a
college degree in the topic.

To claim that doing this is 'turning everyone into geo-novices' simply
sounds unfair as a description of reality, to me.

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
MetaCarta
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