Oh, and just so we don't forget what was asked, I'll repeat Phil's question:
Where do you and the un-named climate scientists you agree with break with the consensus view: Do you think that energy is conserved? Do you think that CO2's spectrum has been measured incorrectly? Or is there something wrong in the physics of radiation? Or in the accounting of human added CO2 in the atmosphere? Your current answer seems to be "It's complicated". Of course it is. But that's not breaking with the consensus. We know it's complicated. / Per 2010/1/26 Per Edman <[email protected]> > 2010/1/26 Michael Lewis <[email protected]> > > The problem is that non-linear, chaotic complex adaptive systems are being >> analyzed and interpreted as linear systems. >> > > Really? Who's making that kind of misinterpretation of a complex system? > > >> The linear interpretation says, "If you push something hard enough, it >> will fall over." >> > > If a progression contains tipping points, how can it still be linear? > > >> The non-linear, chaotic complex adaptive system replies, "If you push >> something hard enough, it may fall over, or it may fall toward you, or it >> may sprout wings and fly away, or it may sit there and politely ignore you." >> > > Now I know you're intentionally trying to misrepresent the facts. > > > >> Complex adaptive systems are unpredictable. > > > That does not follow. The complex systems were are talking about in this > group are not, in the strict meaning of the word, unpredictable. They can > certainly be hard to predict, but that does not mean that any particular > predictions are false for that reason. > > >> We can't predict glacier melting 200 years downstream because we can't >> know if present trends will continue. > > > Not by mathematical (linear) analysis alone, no of course not. But no-ody > is seriously suggesting using linear mathematical models rather than, say, > historically documented, well-understood physical forcings. If you are > suggesting such people exist, do tell. > > > -- > / Per > -- / Per -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Global Change ("globalchange") newsgroup. Global Change is a public, moderated venue for discussion of science, technology, economics and policy dimensions of global environmental change. Posts will be admitted to the list if and only if any moderator finds the submission to be constructive and/or interesting, on topic, and not gratuitously rude. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/globalchange
