Also, what maybe I wasn’t clear here - that is the ‘verification is local - say 
a local app’, if the machine has been compromised - the binary can be edited to 
remove the security check - no need to even have the dongle - thus the 
requirement for an external resource being protected.

> On Oct 15, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Christopher Nielsen <m4dh4t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 4:33 PM robert engels <reng...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> To clarify, this is for a hardware device that protects a local resource - a 
>> network based protocol that challenges the device for access is a different 
>> story, and yes, when properly implemented is secure (unless someone steals 
>> your device! - which is why it is usually password + device, and then you 
>> are back to the same problem of compromising passwords when root access has 
>> been compromised).
> 
> This statement indicates to me you don't understand how hardware
> security tokens work. It doesn't matter if you have root access. You
> cannot obtain key material from it. If you lose it, you lose the set
> of keys on it. That's it. Revoke them and issue new ones using your
> root cert/key that never touches a networked system and lives in a
> safe.
> 
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> neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin
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