fair enough mate.  I still have to applaud your patience.  hats off
mate, if you can sit around for 2 months while your data is being
deleted!

On May 14, 10:55 pm, Paul Kinlan <paul.kin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My main issue is that I can't account for the data, and I don't know how to
> trust the value that I am getting billed for.
>
> Paul
>
> 2009/5/14 Sri <sri.pan...@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> > Just to be fair, when I recently checked all the data had returned to
> > 0% usage.  But that doesnt explain the 30000 entities i had uploaded
> > 12 hours ago....
>
> > On May 14, 10:43 pm, Sri <sri.pan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Howdy
>
> > >     I agree with you paul.  I just deleted the contents of my
> > > datastore (which took about 2 days - as if that amount of time is not
> > > wierd in itself, let alone 2 months), and at the end it was showing
> > > 130 meg (or 13% usage).  What the?
>
> > > Sorry but what was the originaly argument against a "clear-all" switch
> > > on the data store again?
>
> > > cheers
> > > Sri
>
> > > On May 14, 7:41 pm, Paul Kinlan <paul.kin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi,
>
> > > > The whole thing about datastore size is ***really*** frustating.  I am
> > using
> > > > 30.94 GB for my app (twitterautofollow) and 1) I don't know where it is
> > > > being consumed and 2) I don't trust the figures, I delete data and the
> > size
> > > > of the datastore never goes down, so effectively I feel like am paying
> > and I
> > > > don't know what it is that I am paying for and 3) I honestly don't know
> > how
> > > > I could be using that much storage.
>
> > > > A case in point, I had another App where I spent 2 months deleting data
> > > > never to see the size decrease, I removed all the indexes from the
> > system
> > > > then two days later it was empty.
>
> > > > I just feel frustrated that I can't account for anything, and
> > unfortunatly
> > > > it is too late for me to design my app to have my own accounting in
> > place.
>
> > > > Paul.
>
> > > > 2009/5/14 Andy Freeman <ana...@earthlink.net>
>
> > > > > Argh!
>
> > > > > This means that one form (db.Key) is smaller than the other
> > > > > (comparable string) for the datastore while the reverse is true for
> > > > > memcache.
>
> > > > > I've created am issue (
> > > > >http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=1538
> > > > > )requesting a __getstate__ and __setstate__ for db.Key that is
> > smaller
> > > > > than the string equivalent.  In addition to eliminating the
> > > > > inconsistency betwen the datastore and memcache sizes, it will reduce
> > > > > the size of every memcache'd db.Model instance whose .key() is
> > > > > defined.
>
> > > > > On May 13, 11:41 am, "Jason (Google)" <apija...@google.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Andy. In this case, the list of Key objects will be smaller than
> > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > of key strings. Even though the picked db.Key object is larger, it
> > is a
> > > > > > binary-encoded protocol buffer form that gets stored, which is
> > smaller
> > > > > than
> > > > > > the pickled string. That said, I doubt it would make a tremendous
> > > > > difference
> > > > > > unless you have a lot of these entities or these lists have a lot
> > of
> > > > > values.
>
> > > > > > - Jason
>
> > > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Andy Freeman <
> > ana...@earthlink.net>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Since index space can be significant, can we get some additional
> > > > > > > information?
>
> > > > > > > For example, does an indexed db.ListProperty(db.Key) with three
> > > > > > > elements take significantly more or less space than an indexed
> > > > > > > db.StringListProperty with three elements whose value is str() of
> > the
> > > > > > > same keys?  (The pickle of keys seems to be significantly larger
> > than
> > > > > > > the pickle of the equivalent strings.)
>
> > > > > > > On May 11, 5:04 pm, "Jason (Google)" <apija...@google.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi Anthony. I'm very sorry for the late reply, and thank you
> > for
> > > > > bearing
> > > > > > > > with me. I've discussed this with the datastore team and it's
> > evident
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > the CSV file's size is not a great indicator of how much
> > storage your
> > > > > > > > entities will consume. On top of the size of the raw data, each
> > > > > entity
> > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > associated metadata, as you've already mentioned, but I'd bet
> > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > indexes are consuming the greatest space. If you don't ever
> > query on
> > > > > one
> > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > more of these 15 string properties, you may consider changing
> > their
> > > > > > > property
> > > > > > > > types to Text or declaring indexed=false in your model. If you
> > can do
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > with one of your properties and re-build your indexes, I'd be
> > > > > interested
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > seeing how much your storage usage decreases since you'll need
> > one
> > > > > less
> > > > > > > > index.
>
> > > > > > > > (Note that single-property indexes are present but not listed
> > in the
> > > > > > > Admin
> > > > > > > > Console.)
>
> > > > > > > > - Jason
>
> > > > > > > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Kugutsumen <
> > kugutsu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Two weeks ago, I've sent my applications ID to both you and
> > Nick
> > > > > and I
> > > > > > > > > haven't heard from you since then.
>
> > > > > > > > > Thanks- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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