Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 02:51:17AM +0000, John Scudder:
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Randy Bush <ra...@psg.com> wrote:
> 
> >>   Where the security considerations outlined above are a concern, users
> >>   of this protocol should use IPsec [RFC4303] in tunnel mode with
> >>   preshared keys.
> > 
> > the classic wiggle from the 1990s.  and no one ever does it.  and at the
> > using layer, you can not even detect if it is in place and abort if it
> > is not.  #fail
> 
> I do not understand your point. Wasn't actually intended as a wiggle, but as 
> an option that you can actually do with existing shipping code. Maybe we can 
> discuss Monday. 

i too do not understand your point.  please explain in detail.

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