Hi,
On 12/10/23 4:04 PM, MSavoritias wrote:
On 12/10/23 17:56, Vivien Kraus wrote:
Le dimanche 10 décembre 2023 à 17:45 +0200, MSavoritias a écrit :
There is also a trust issue. For acceptance, we need bridging. For
bridging, we need policing. And for policing, we need people with
time.
I am of the opinion that bridging would be a bad idea. The differences
between IRC and XMPP are significant enough that bringing would probably
be more disruptive than conducive to acceptance. A better approach would
to simply have a separate IRC and XMPP channel. If people end up
preferring XMPP, more people will simply elect to use it. In any project
eventually the main communication channels tend to split up into smaller
groups once they get to a certain size anyway for a number of reasons.
This doesn't stop these other spaces from being 'accepted', and if we
have the XMPP channel become official, I think this is acceptance enough.
That's a good question yeah. Whether we want bridging that is.
Personally I am leaning that we don't.
Because bridging can ruin the experience of people that use XMPP. But
I
can see it either way.
Maybe we could do something a little smarter, like having sneek deliver
messages in both IRC and XMPP.
Vivien
There are mirroring ways yeah. That would be a better solution.
Because there is biboumi but it basically just creates an IRC room in
XMPP.
Also sneek should filter stuff probably. Because xmpp allows pictures
and long messages and such.
So it shouldn't mirror everything as is. I don't know how possible it
is though. Maybe some custom setup of something.
That said I do have my doubts whether this is more trouble than its
worth personally.
Given that IRC and XMPP are two very different protocols that are
probably gonna attract a different community.
Agreed. Specifically, mobile XMPP clients work far, far better than
their IRC counterparts out of the box. I think we'd see a lot of people
come to the XMPP server due to it's great mobile accessibility.
In short, I think we should host our own XMPP server (maybe a VPS for
uptime purposes? With media uploads and message logs, storage would be
much more of a factor to consider compared to IRC) under the
guix.gnu.org domain name and list it on the website. I think once we get
to that stage, investigating how to keep track of message logs (perhaps
mirroring logs to logs.guix.gnu.org, perhaps under a separate page to
the IRC logs) will be vital in moderation efforts. Bridging would cause
more problems and potentially solve a problem that we shouldn't want to
solve (having one unified space).
MSavoritias
Ada (adanska)
