On 11/09/2007, Troy Guffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> DataPacRat wrote:
> > On 11/09/2007, Troy Guffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The gun, concealed behind armor, is 12.5 cf, 250 lbs, $17,000, 7 kW.
> > 10,000 rounds of ammo is 4,000 lbs, $60,000. Full stabilization, 25
> > lbs, $2500. Universal Mount (to raise to 90 degrees and keep Pigeons
> > from simply dropping down from above) 125 lbs, $250. We can probably
> > throw in an anti-blast magazine for those rounds: 1,000 lbs, $10000.
> >
> > We'll also need a battery (say, $250), PESA (5 of them (for
> > 360-plus-above coverage, with 2-mile range they add up to 40 lb,
>
> Make it a 5 mile range, so that the guns can see them before they get into
> Max range.  And probably at least 1 AESA, or LIDAR.

Don't forget, AESA /includes/ LIDAR. :)

Increasing the PESAs by that much would increase the cost by $240,000
- almost enough to buy a whole second 2-mile-sighted anti-Pigeon gun.

(Of course, with the rules on sensors' 'Scan ratings', the 2-mile or
5-mile figure is fairly nominal, anyway; especially given that Pigeons
have a Size Mod of -3.)


> > $160,000), Gunner Program (Complexity 4, skill 12), and a robot brain
> > (Complexity 4, dedicated, hardened, is 300 lb, $40,000).
> >
> > Which puts us at $290,000, plus whatever chassis, propulsion, and
> > armor we put on it.
> >
> >
> >> A Pigeon will take 58.77seconds to cover the guns range, during
> >> which time the gun can punch out 7052 rounds.   For a 1000 member
> >> flock, this gun could award each Pigeon as many as 7 rounds.
> >> (Assuming zero time to aim, and ending up at the mouth of the
> >> barrel.)
> >
> > It's been quite a while since I used any of the autofire rules; is
> > that how such things are targeted?
>
> That's how *I* would design the firing protocol.  Thread 1: Evaluate all
> seen targets, chose 'path' for firing solution of X duration.  Thread 2:
> Find target, aim for target (with appropriate leading), fire X rounds, go on
> to next target in list.  X is a number of rounds to insure 95% chance of
> kill, or less to ensure engagement of maximum targets. (For instance, to
> engage a 7000 Pigeon swarm) X would probably be 3 in most cases.
> Thread 1 re-orders target list as targets are destroyed, and new targets
> enter engagement area.

I didn't mean to talk about the firing protocols, which would be
covered by the Gunner software - I meant GURPS basic rules on
autofire, such as how to handle bursts within a single turn and
targeting hexes and all that GURPS-specific stuff. In other words,
when firing 120 rounds per second, /can/ you target each round
individually in GURPS?


> > (Notes to self: When using pigeons against Big Guns, use /lots/ of
> > cover, and try not to enter its firing arcs until as close as
> > possible. Avoid bunching up the flock to keep individual shells from
> > being able to destroy more than a single Pigeon each. Possibility: Use
> > /big/ flocks to saturate defense capability, eg 10,000 at a time.)
>
> Note to self: Deploy multiple units with overlapping fields of fire, and
> implement data-net to divide up targets between multiple AA units.  Also
> deploy even smaller 'close-in' units or 'big boom' SAMs for Final Protective
> Fire,

Further notes discovered during testing: Although they can be tasked
against large targets, Pigeons are primarily an anti-infantry
system... and when they come across such significantly hardened
defenses, it's probably better to simply fly around them or above
their firing ceiling, and call in a strike from the railgun artillery
and/or cruise missiles until the area is cleared for anti-infantry
operations. :)


Random thought: Perhaps a sort of 'anti-Pigeon Pigeon' is a feasible
countermeasure, a cheaper, smaller, faster, more agile 'Sparrow' that
only needs to inflict 2 points of damage instead of 24d.


Thank you for your time,
-- 
DataPacRat         VA3BOS
"You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for
yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain,
and you are responsible for using them." -- Qur'an 17:36, Khalifa
translation.
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