I feel that if there was less choice for Windows users I'd be much happier. Mac users may not have a choice in screen readers, but VO supports more stuff out of the box than does either JAWS or WE combined. I have both of them on here, and I can't wait for the day when there is no need for the extra expense. Evidently, Windows users have always been inferior to their own maker (a.k.a. microsoft) because they have left us behind to break the bank. Bring it on, build in screen readers, and blow choice out of the water!
-----Original Message----- From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 7:39 AM To: 'Clinton Waterbury' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be Hi, If Microsoft was to take the approach of offering a full fledge screen reader like window-eyes with the operating system then as soon as that happens you luse choice. Remember there is only one option on the mac voice over. On windows you have jaws window-eyes nvda and others. You have the option of using what you want and you are not limited to only one option. So based on what you are willing to pay for will determine what you use. I have window-eyes and NVDA on this system as I right this. I payed for window-eyes and NVDA is free. So I see nothing wrong with how it works right now. There is a free option for those who want it and there is a payed option for those who want that. So I don't think there is any need to change anything at this point. Btw the windows narrator found in windows 8 is not half bad and the text to speech it offers is simply wonderful. I have used it with NVDA and narrator and it is going to be a treat. I can't wait to play with it using window-eyes. So bring on that beta oh please. Jim Grimsby JR. E-mail and Windows Live Messenger: [email protected] Skype Jim.grimsby Twitter Jgrimsby -----Original Message----- From: Clinton Waterbury [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:18 PM To: Bill Scherer Cc: Peter Beasley; Window-Eyes discussion list Subject: Re: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be I think if you could take the Apple approach, that would make it a lot better. With the mac, you're only paying $600-$2500 depending on the computer you get from Apple, but the screen reader comes free with the OS. But then again, we have things like ms narrator that are free with the OS, but are total crap. On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Bill Scherer wrote: > Then tell me the deffinition of a "screen Reader" as you see it. > Some people seem to think that you should be able to by a $600 piece > of software that will work with any piece of software you put in it's way. and that it's the screen reader company's obligation to make it so. > It's not possible nonbelievers. It's the responsability of the > original writers of the software to write it so that it will work with screen readers. There are standards. and if Software designers followed them we probably wouldn't need to have this discussion. ----- Just because I own a house doesn't mean I don't have to pay for upgrades in the wiring plumbing etc. > Bill > Original Message ----- From: "Peter Beasley" <[email protected]> > To: "Bill Scherer" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for > Window-Eyes to be > > >> You are not getting it free.You are paying for your screen reader . >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Scherer" <[email protected]> >> To: "Pamela Dominguez" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "Window-Eyes discussion list" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 6:13 PM >> Subject: Re: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for >> Window-Eyes to be >> >> >>> Because until companies make their software accessible, out of the >>> box, it takes lots of work to get some of them working. >>> Plus I don't think a screen reader company has the resources to make >>> all programs work with their product. It's not possible without lots >>> of work. It's not, GW Micro's fault that everything doesn't work. Their job is to provide a screen reader that works well with many types of the more popular or most used programs. >>> The microsoft products, for instance. >>> Anything else is really gravy. >>> We aren't entitled to get everything free. All this is just my >>> opinion of course and not intended to start a war. <grin> Bill >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Dominguez" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: "Bill Scherer" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 4:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for >>> Window-Eyes to be >>> >>> >>>> You already pay for window eyes, why should you pay more? Pam. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Scherer >>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 2:01 PM >>>> To: Sandra Fouts >>>> Cc: Window-Eyes discussion list >>>> Subject: what's wrong with charging? Re: My Dream App for >>>> Window-Eyes to be >>>> >>>> Well we can't expect to always get apps for nothing. for instance >>>> $10 or $20 doesn't seem unreal to me for many apps. >>>> If it's total scrypting for a program it takes hours and hours. >>>> Like it or not that money has to come from somewhere. >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Fouts" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> To: "'chris hallsworth'" <[email protected]>; "'G W Micro'" >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:12 PM >>>> Subject: RE: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be >>>> >>>> >>>> Then you'll have some unhappy customers that don't normally use >>>> window-eyes and don't need to use WE say forget it. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: chris hallsworth [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:10 PM >>>> To: 'G W Micro' >>>> Subject: Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be >>>> >>>> As for making Gw Connect chargeable, it could be something like $10 >>>> or >>>> $20 and it would just remove the commercials and the boxes at the >>>> start and/or the end of the program. It could be a one time fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> Christopher Hallsworth >>>> >>>> On 27/04/2012 17:28, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is not really a Window-Eyes app, but it would be nice when >>>>> GWConnect could also be bought. >>>>> For Window-Eyes users it is a really nice gift, but I think that >>>>> GW Micro can ask a small amount of money for it and other users >>>>> will buy itso they don't get the commercials. Or Only a message >>>>> when it is starting orso. >>>>> >>>>> A good app I know is Polyglot. Usefull. The virtual windows app is >>>>> also usefull. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, marten >>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. 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