Just to clarify...I didn't mean to imply OpenEHR doesn't contribute anything new. What I DID mean is that I do not yet see it (after maybe an hour or two of reading).
--- Greg Woodhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Everybody does seem to be getting. I just went to OMG to download the > MOF standard, and notice that on their main page they are talking > about > their involvement with EHR standards, too. Of course, there is HL7 > who, > in addition to the RIM and CDA has an EHR-S effort underway. I know > about CCR, but it's only a small part of what ASTM is doing. I've > been > looking at the OpenEHR web site, but am still trying to digest it at > see if I can get a handle on what is genuinely new about archetypes. > I > think the language is a bit confusing, because in mathematical logic, > ontologies typically refer to what is left if you omit contingent > information from your model (actually a model is basically an > ontology > + contingent information). > > --- "A. Forrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There are ASTM standards on the Structure and Conent of the EHR > that > > are > > consistent with ADA standards on the EHR; These are conceptual > > content > > standards that have had historic support of AHIMA. Thye also have > > some > > consistency with HL7 messaaging structures and have been in touch > > with the > > Open EHR folks. Efforts are underway to reactivate a dilaog that > > began in > > 1995 on a "Common Data Model" but subsequently many went of to play > > "king > > of the Mountain" in their pigeonholes. A key issue currently is to > > map the > > "Continuity of Care Record - CCR" to the existing EHR models and > then > > to > > VistA. VistA has a lot of representing and EHR as a series of text > > (date-timed) but the recent Report of the ONCHIT clealry noted to > > tension > > be tween structured models for the EHR and those for structured > text( > > > > which is just electronic represntation of paper record notes). WHat > > is of > > interest for VistA is what its eveolutionary trajectory will be > with > > respect to this conceptual content and how it will fit into the > > "business > > model" of healthcare which ( according to IOM 2003) is patient > > Centered > > care and Multidisciplinary teams; Resource Management is supportive > > and > > enabling but has had prime focus for 40 yrs (at least). economists > > have > > noted that when healthacre recognbizes that the business model for > > healthcare in not that of a supermarket it will progress. A key > > question: > > Is the DVA now using a Supermarket Model and worrying about > > Technology as > > prime focus or is it really (as the 2005 Person-Centered heslth > > record > > Book tries to say) looking at the REAL Healthcare business model? > > Time > > will tell. > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > > > > Greg have you looked into the OpenEHR initiative....it is > > attempting to > > > develop a usable EHR standard. > > > > > > Joseph > > > > > > Greg Woodhouse wrote: > > >> Of course, if you just dump the progress notes to a file, won't > > they > > >> still be in a "proprietary" format? It seems that what you need > is > > an > > >> EHR standard that supports interoperability. This is where I > hope > > to go > > >> with Triton and/or Orpheus. > > >> > > >> --- Kevin Toppenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>> I want the practice to be able to say, we don't want > > >>> to use VistA anymore, dump all the progress notes to a > > >>> DVD so we can import them into another system. > > >>> > > >>> Kevin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- "Gillon, Joseph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I assume you know about the RPC to get notes by > > >>>> patient/provider for a given > > >>>> time interval, and you need something else? > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>>> On Behalf Of Kevin > > >>>> Toppenberg > > >>>> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 4:13 PM > > >>>> To: Hardhats Sourceforge > > >>>> Subject: [Hardhats-members] XML data export > > >>>> > > >>>> One of my goals for my site has been the ability to > > >>>> get data back out of VistA in a painless manner. For > > >>>> me this means XML. And I am rapidly nearing the > > >>>> point > > >>>> where I plan on finishing this project. > > >>>> > > >>>> I have a couple of approaches I could take, and I'd > > >>>> like input from the list > > >>>> > > >>>> 1. Write a custom program that dumps progress notes > > >>>> (currently the only unique data being stored in our > > >>>> VistA) in XML format. I think I could very easily > > >>>> do > > >>>> this. > > >>>> > > >>>> 2. Writing an extension to fileman's data export > > >>>> abilities, to include an option for XML. This would > > >>>> be the better option in the long run, but probably > > >>>> would be a good deal more difficult for me. I would > > >>>> need to fully understand the current system to > > >>>> decide > > >>>> how best to integrate. Usha recently posted about > > >>>> her > > >>>> difficulty using the export functions. I don't > > >>>> think > > >>>> anyone responded with an answer. > > >>>> > > >>>> What do export templates do? What file are they > > >>>> stored in? > > >>>> > > >>>> Has anyone else already done this? Anything I > > >>>> should > > >>>> know before I rush off to reinvent the wheel? > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks > > >>>> Kevin > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find > > >>>> restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for > > >>>> the weekend. Check it out! > > >>>> > > >>>> http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> > > >>>> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: NEC IT Guy Games. > > >>>> How far can you > > >>>> shotput > > >>>> a projector? How fast can you ride your desk chair > > >>>> down the office luge > > >>>> track? > > >>>> If you want to score the big prize, get to know the > > >>>> little guy. 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