Well, that's a bit over the top.  As much as I don't like it, it's not
unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business model
on a device that it controls.

I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface, software,
and UI that can compare to the iPhone.  So I'm willing to put up with a few
minor issues in exchange for that.

---------------------------
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
Montreal Office
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com> wrote:

> Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the limitations
> and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things.
>
> Thanks,
> ------------------------------------------
> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
> Sr. Security Researcher
> Websense Security Labs
> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:
> hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
>
> Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software, like the
> iPhone.
>
> Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*.
>
> ---------------------------
> Brian Weeden
> Technical Advisor
> Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
> Montreal Office
> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com> wrote:
>
> > That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP
> application
> > in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already
> > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
> > Sr. Security Researcher
> > Websense Security Labs
> > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:
> > hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr.
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM
> > To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> > Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
> >
> > I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has been
> > pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on all
> the
> > newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs up with
> my
> > asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free unlimited calls
> > using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone becomes an
> > extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available.
> >
> > We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can still use
> > the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my cellular
> > service :)
> >
> > lopaka
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com>
> > Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
> > To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" <hardware@hardwaregroup.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM
> >
> > Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs,
> developer
> > docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing! Anyone have
> > access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not
> > released yet but usually phones find their way to the market early. In
> case
> > you haven’t seen the phone here are some links
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE
> >
> >
> > Quick highlights for me personally are
> > - Debian based linux OS
> > - Updates to everything over the air
> > - Killer UI
> > - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser
> > - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage,
> processor,
> > screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc
> > - Real multi tasking OS and interface
> > - Get root shell on the device
> >
> > All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer because
> of
> > Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a
> platform
> > and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the phone at
> > all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g connectivity. Looks
> > like finally a no strings attached phone.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
> > Sr. Security Researcher
> > Websense Security Labs
> > http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
> >
> > ------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
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