Well so I will say this having just gotten a 3GS last Thurs:
I *LOOOOOOVE* the thing! The apps on it are amazing and I can do SOOO many
things that were just impossible/a pain with my WinMo 6.1 Samsung EPIX (update
Facebook easily with video and pics, check tweets, access amazon, ebay, etc,
and other cool utils and apps like a compass and all that). It's just so much
more usable and friendly and I seriously am loving the heck out of it, and it
works so much better than crappy WinMo6.1 too!
I also compared it extensively with an Android phone that had a lot of similar
features, and it simply comes down to this: Apple is on their 3rd rev of the SW
and HW and it shows. Android is too new, but by their 3rd rev, once the apps
are out and better HW, I'll totally take a look at it; I'm not tied to any one
thing and these things die so quickly anyway that I'll be replacing it in 1-2
years anyway.
And yes, I don't like the limitations (and don't use iTunes for music, just
sync'ing/backing up the phone) but for the amount of usability/functionality it
gives you, it's worth it for now. If/when Android takes off, either Apple will
loosen up or I'll switch; the market will work in my favor. So fwiw, I suggest
you at least try it out and see what you're missing. The apps and games are
awesome and it works pretty well as a phone too! ;)
BINO
-----Original Message-----
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Mesdaq, Ali
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:04 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I'm not so convinced of that. The openness google refers to when talking about
android is more about the web standards openness not really the framework
openness. But the hardware support for android is definitely picking up and so
are the apps.
Thanks,
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Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
Sr. Security Researcher
Websense Security Labs
http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:31 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Cc: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
I think Android has the potential to be the phone/UI we want, but it's
going to be a few years of iterations to get there.
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Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation
On 2009-09-16, at 5:21 PM, "Mesdaq, Ali" <ames...@websense.com> wrote:
> Yeah I agree with you on that and that’s why I haven’t really
> upgraded my phone for so long. Now that the iphone has set such a hi
> gh standard I require the phone to be as user friendly as the iphone
> and hardware as good. My basic requirements are
> - UI as good as iphone
> - hardware as good or better than iphone
> - no limitations or little limitations on what I can do on the phone
>
> If iphone was a little more open in that regard there would be no
> phone that can compare.
>
> AT&T has kinda been screwed by the iphone because users are
> demanding bandwidth but not willing to pay for it. So its been kind
> of a double edged sword for them. But lets make a clear distinction
> between AT&T mandated controls and Apple controls. Apple wants to
> control your life and I just want a phone that can do a bunch of
> things.
>
> Thanks,
> ------------------------------------------
> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
> Sr. Security Researcher
> Websense Security Labs
> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:hardware-
> boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
> Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
>
> Well, that's a bit over the top. As much as I don't like it, it's not
> unreasonable for AT&T to not allow an app that destroys its business
> model
> on a device that it controls.
>
> I still haven't seen a single phone out there with an interface,
> software,
> and UI that can compare to the iPhone. So I'm willing to put up
> with a few
> minor issues in exchange for that.
>
> ---------------------------
> Brian Weeden
> Technical Advisor
> Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
> Montreal Office
> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Precisely the reason why I haven’t gotten an iphone. I hate the li
>> mitations
>> and the hoops you have to jump through to do some basic things.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
>> Sr. Security Researcher
>> Websense Security Labs
>> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:
>> hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:25 PM
>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>> Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
>>
>> Unless your device isn't allowed to have such pieces of software,
>> like the
>> iPhone.
>>
>> Which is why my iPhone is *cough* modified *cough*.
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> Brian Weeden
>> Technical Advisor
>> Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
>> Montreal Office
>> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
>> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That’s not a limitation of this nokia. Anyone could write a SIP
>> application
>>> in fact someone wrote something for Google voice already
>>> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/dialcentral/
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
>>> Sr. Security Researcher
>>> Websense Security Labs
>>> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com [mailto:
>>> hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Robert Martin Jr.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:00 AM
>>> To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
>>> Subject: Re: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
>>>
>>> I like Nokia and have an N81. What I don't like is that Nokia has
>>> been
>>> pressured by mobile carriers to remove the built-in SIP support on
>>> all
>> the
>>> newer models. When I walk in at home or at work my N81 auto sychs
>>> up with
>> my
>>> asterisk server via wireless, and I can make totally free
>>> unlimited calls
>>> using google voice anywhere in the continental U.S. The phone
>>> becomes an
>>> extension to the system whenever internet connectivity is available.
>>>
>>> We got off monthly mobile plan to pay-per-minutes since we can
>>> still use
>>> the nokia phones through WiFi. Now I pay about $8 a month for my
>>> cellular
>>> service :)
>>>
>>> lopaka
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Mesdaq, Ali <ames...@websense.com>
>>> Subject: [H] Nokia N9000 The Ultimate Phone?
>>> To: "hardware@hardwaregroup.com" <hardware@hardwaregroup.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 AM
>>>
>>> Has anyone seen the N9000 phone? I just read some reviews, specs,
>> developer
>>> docs, and saw some videos on this phone and it seems amazing!
>>> Anyone have
>>> access to this phone or know of anyone with one? Seems like it's not
>>> released yet but usually phones find their way to the market
>>> early. In
>> case
>>> you haven’t seen the phone here are some links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/hands-on-nokia-n900-review-631040
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP5R-5NX1BE
>>>
>>>
>>> Quick highlights for me personally are
>>> - Debian based linux OS
>>> - Updates to everything over the air
>>> - Killer UI
>>> - Full flash support in a full Mozilla based browser
>>> - Very nice hardware specs in every facet i.e. camera, storage,
>> processor,
>>> screen, graphics hardware accelerator, etc
>>> - Real multi tasking OS and interface
>>> - Get root shell on the device
>>>
>>> All in all this device seems to be created as a mobile computer
>>> because
>> of
>>> Maemo's roots as a tablet PC OS. So the phone is just treated as a
>> platform
>>> and hardware to run the OS. For example you can just not use the
>>> phone at
>>> all and make all your calls via Skype over Wifi or 3g
>>> connectivity. Looks
>>> like finally a no strings attached phone.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> Ali Mesdaq (CISSP, GIAC-GREM)
>>> Sr. Security Researcher
>>> Websense Security Labs
>>> http://www.WebsenseSecurityLabs.com
>>>
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>>>
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