I guess it depends.  I don't own a kindle, a family member does.  Key 
difference: I can sit outside and read a kindle.   Try to read an iphone out in 
the sun.  You can't.  It might as well be a rock. 

So, as a book, its a good curl on the couch kind of book.  But worthless 
outside.  As a tablet pc, it can't print, export documents, has no onboard usb 
or camera. It doesn't support flash and has a locked app environment.  

The cheapest kindle is 250.  The cheapest ipad is $500.  The cheapest kindle 
has 3g.  The cheapest ipad doesn't.  

So, kind of geared differently.  
Sent via BlackBerry 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bino Gopal" <binogo...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:01:03 
To: <hardware@hardwaregroup.com>
Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?

Well I got a Kindle as an Xmas gift from my GF and used it for a few days
but didn't really like it and she sent it back to Amazon, and I'm glad she
did now b/c the Kindle just doesn't do enough for me...

An iPad or similar device that can do full web-browsing along with reading
ebooks and other stuff (like BrianW) states makes a Kindle or similar
single-use devices completely obsolete, IMHO...

                                                        BINO


-----Original Message-----
From: hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com
[mailto:hardware-boun...@hardwaregroup.com] On Behalf Of Brian Weeden
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:40 PM
To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com
Subject: Re: [H] The iPad vs the competition?

Free data on the Kindle is only true in the US, not internationally.   And
even the US deal is not likely to last forever.

---------------------------
Brian Weeden
Technical Advisor
Secure World Foundation <http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
+1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
+1 (202) 683-8534 US


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Anthony Q. Martin
<amar...@charter.net>wrote:

> i've never felt even slightly compelled to get an iTouch, but have felt
the
> Kindle would be interesting if it were in color.  Now the iPad comes
> along...it is big enough to actually be useful for extended use...and I
> would really enjoy reading graphic novels (ie, comic books) on this thing.
> To me, the size and the color really make the difference vs an iTouch or a
> Kindle.
>
>
> On 1/27/2010 7:16 PM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>
>> Mostly but there are some differences.  No camera or mic.  There are some
>> special added navigation techniques and menus for web browsing and
reading
>> books which are different from the iPhone/Touch.
>>
>> But yeah, a bit iTouch with a data connection is a rough way of looking
at
>> it.
>>
>> ---------------------------
>> Brian Weeden
>> Technical Advisor
>> Secure World Foundation<http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
>> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
>> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Anthony Q. Martin<amar...@charter.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Isn't it just a bigger iPhone Touch?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/27/2010 6:58 PM, Brian Weeden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jailbreak FTW.
>>>>
>>>> Makes my iPhone twice as useful as before.
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------
>>>> Brian Weeden
>>>> Technical Advisor
>>>> Secure World Foundation<http://www.secureworldfoundation.org>
>>>>
>>>> +1 (514) 466-2756 Canada
>>>> +1 (202) 683-8534 US
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Bryan Seitz<se...@bsd-unix.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Except it's not a PC, it has the stupid App store, and will be locked
>>>>> down
>>>>> / GAY.
>>>>> (And I'm an Apple fan boy).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 03:36:00PM -0800, maccrawj wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> No rant, simple statement that no matter how good it just another PC
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> a different
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> OS on it. Sad thing is we revert to 1984 pre-clone revolution if we
go
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> down this path
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hence no matter how good, it must die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said Tablets interest me though my next portable likely will be
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> ION based
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> netbook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/27/2010 1:25 PM, Bino Gopal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'll bring it up: what do people think of the iPad?  I can
already
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> guess
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> at the level of disinterest and disdain on this list (so no need to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> vent it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> here in response), so what I'm more looking for is more factual
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> evaluations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> of the features and how it compares to equivalent solutions out there
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> now,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> or that people expect to come out in the next few months.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a T61 but it's getting old and would like to get a tablet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> PC-type of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> device, and am expecting that the upcoming Win7 tablets should blow
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> out of the water in price and features right?  Anyone got their eye
on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> particular one coming out soon?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BINO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bryan G. Seitz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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