Mas Dodo,
Baik kalau begitu sendika dhawuh mas...
salam harmonis,
----- Original Message -----
From: dohan satria
To: harmonisasi-universal@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:49 PM
Subject: [HU] Re: View this page "HU FAQs"
Mas Guntur...
Saya sudah meditasikan bberpa lama semenjk berdoa meminta petunjuk siapa
yang bersedia menjdi penghubung dgn hu international...karena ini memng
penting..dan mas Guntur punya Jiwa demikian,,,silahkn direnungkan mas , karen
HU memng akan menjadi tumbuh bila didukung orang2 yang jauh dari sifat
adigang adigung adiguna,..nggak ada istilah nggak becus mas,dan yang tahu
kemuan kit pmrih atu nggak itu hanya diri dan Sang SUmber..,semua perlu kemauan
saja,,,,dan saya me rasa mas Guntur Siap,...
Salam Hangat
Salam Sejati
2008/10/13 A. Guntur Dwiyatmoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear HUers,
Mas Dodo yang baik, kalau memang diperlukan ya saya siap mengemban
amanah... Hanya sepertinya mas Edo kemarin mengutarakan masalah tertarik atau
tidak, saya hanya bertanya ke diri sendiri apakah sudah cukup mumpuni... wong
dalam banyak hal saya merasa belum becus...
salam harmonis,
----- Original Message -----
From: dohan satria
To: harmonisasi-universal@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:54 PM
Subject: [HU] Re: View this page "HU FAQs"
Mas Guntur,..
Saya ikut dukung dan setuju sekali memang perlu utk ini utk jadi jubir
menemani m.Rustan,.
Utk mas Edo...betul ,..jgn menjadi Dogma malah mebbelenggui kebebasan....
Salam Sejati
2008/10/11, A. Guntur Dwiyatmoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Dear Mas Edo,
ooopss.. mohon maaf sekaligus terima kasih pencerahannya mas. Kayaknya
juga
bagian2 lain musti dibaca ulang dengan teliti. Wah, tadinya saya pikir
New
Age itu cuman ada satu gerakan hehehe.. katrok tenan... dan I think
dibilang
New Age itu hanya pemberian nama saja dari western, sementara di timur,
praktik spiritualism sudah dilakukan bahkan sebelum diberi label 'agama
ini
agama itu', well, anyway, saya coba terjemahkan koreksi mas Edo ya..
_____________
HU isn't a part of any religion nor a new religion. HU is a Spiritual
Community, Spiritual Movement that could be categorized as a part of
New Age
Movements. As a movement, HU distincts in nature, form, or
characteristics
from many New Age Movements. It has no organization, no leader, or rules
even dogma. HU is a group of people seeking divinity in a way other
than any
formal religion's practices. That brings HU spread all over the world.
Maybe
it is a good time to know the description of New Age Movement:
"New Age Movement, broad-based amalgam of diverse spiritual, social, and
political elements with the common aim of transforming individuals and
society through spiritual awareness. Comprising individuals, activist
groups, businesses, professional groups, and spiritual leaders and
followers, the movement brought feminist, ecological, spiritual, and
human-potential concerns into the mainstream in the 1980s and 1990s,
creating a large market in the United States and other countries for
books,
magazines, audio- and videotapes, workshops, retreats, and expositions
on
the subject, as well as for natural foods, crystals, and meditation and
healing aids.
Often seen as resurgent paganism or Gnosticism, the modern movement has
more
recent roots in 19th-century spiritualism and in the 1960s
counterculture,
which rejected materialism in favor of Eastern mysticism and preferred
direct spiritual experience to organized religion. Techniques for
self-improvement and the idea that the individual is responsible for and
capable of everything from self-healing to creating the world, have
found
applications in health care and counseling as well as in sports, the
armed
forces, and corporations and have provoked debate in religious and other
circles.
Holistic thinking has influenced attitudes about medicine, the
environment,
the family, work, regional planning, and world peace, among others.
Ideas
frequently associated with the New Age movement include anthroposophical
teachings, inner transformation, reincarnation, extraterrestrial life,
biofeedback, chanting, alchemy, yoga, transpersonal psychology,
shamanism,
martial arts, the occult, astrology, psychic healing, extrasensory
perception, divination, astral travel, acupuncture, massage, tarot, Zen,
mythology, and visualization. (source: MSN Encarta Encyclopedia)
One of the differences from some of New Age Movements, HU is not
rejecting
any religion. Still, HU bears mutual respect in religion's teaching. In
religion, you may find spiritualism and a religion could be a good
source
for spiritualism. But spiritualism itself is broader and wider than
religions. Spiritualism is a human longing for God, the universal need
of
God, which still may stay dormant in the every heart of human.
______________
salam harmonis,
----- Original Message -----
From: "si Brewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Harmonisasi Universal" <harmonisasi-universal@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: [HU] Re: View this page "HU FAQs"
mas Gun, setelah aku baca ternyata ada satu yg agak mengganggu: ini yg
sampeyan terjemahkan:
"HU is a spiritual community, but not a part of any religion or
movement
including New Age blabla.. "
komentar: HU memang bukan bagian dari agama namun dia adalah bagian
dari New Age Movement, movement itu sendiri bukan sebuah movement yg
terorganize, yg punya leaders, yg ada AD/ART-nya, dan punya aturan
baku serta dogma yg harus diikuti... tapi lebih pada sebuah pergerakan
spiritualisme (di western world) yg mencari ketuhanan / divinity di
luar tubuh agama2 formal dan akhirnya pergerakan ini melebarkan
sayapnya ke seluruh dunia. Kerinduan menemukan jati diri manusia dan
kemanusiaan ini yg membuat banyak yg menjadi seekers di dunia barat
sono ^_^
FYI: Satanism juga bagian dari New age movement, dan ini yg membuat
kalangan Church punya stigma negatif pada gerakan tsb.
sampeyan juga menerjemahkan:
"Different from New Age Movement, HU is not rejecting any religion.
Still, HU
bears mutual respect in religion's teaching"
komentar: New age movement sendiri amat beragam, dari yg paling
tolerance sampe yg paling ekstrim. ada yg masih menerima dan respect
pada agama2, tapi ada juga yg menolak agama2 tsb mentah.-mentah. Jadi
mungkin lebih tepat diterjemahkan kalu HU sebagai bagian dari New Age
movement mengambil posisi respect pada ajaran2 agama besar tsb.
Namaste..
Good Translation!
On Oct 11, 11:39 am, si Brewok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ++ Wow bagus sekali mas Guntur, akan segera saya forwardkan dalam
> bentuk file PDF ke milis HU int'l dan di bagian International Pillar
> akan saya tambahkan nama2 moderator milis yang bule2 itu :D atau
> mungkin mas Guntur tertarik jadi jubir international kita selain mas
> Rustan tentunya?
>
> L.O.V.E
>
> On Oct 10, 3:38 pm, "A. Guntur Dwiyatmoko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Dear HUers,
>
> > Mas Edo, FAQ nya bagus, ini saya coba iseng bikin terjemahan
inggrisnya
> > buat
> > HU internasional, masih butuh koreksi sana sini deh
kayaknya...semoga
> > bermanfaat
>
> > salam harmonis,
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** In this age of Aquarius, science will become religious, and religion will
become scientific. Disagreements between science and religion will come to an
end, and people will begin to comprehend that both spirit and matter are
derived from the same source, and are only modifications of the One Universal
Energy **
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