🎉 Hooray! That’s wonderful news! Thank you, Haskell.org <http://haskell.org/> committee, for supporting the survey.
I plan on releasing this year’s results in the same fashion as last year. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 5:31 AM, Jasper Van der Jeugt <m...@jaspervdj.be> wrote: > > Hi Taylor, > > Yes, we're happy to support it from Haskell.org. > > One additional ask from our side would be that the raw results are > published as well, but I saw in the issue you're already planning on > doing that. > > Cheers > Jasper > > On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 11:18:30AM -0400, Taylor Fausak wrote: >> We’re one week out from the release of the survey. I plan on spending this >> weekend putting the finishing touches on it. Can I plan on announcing it as >> the official state of Haskell 2018 survey, supported by both Haskell Weekly >> and Haskell.org <http://haskell.org/>? >> >>> On Oct 17, 2018, at 7:00 PM, Jasper Van der Jeugt <m...@jaspervdj.be> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Taylor, >>> >>> Just a small comment: I would like to keep the survey open a bit longer -- >>> I would suggest two weeks. This gives us a bit more time to push it out >>> twice to as many channels as possible (once at the start and a reminder >>> after a week or so). My intuition is that we'll be able to gather >>> significantly more responses that way. >>> >>> Thanks again for organizing this! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Jasper >>> >>> On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 at 00:55, Taylor Fausak <tay...@fausak.me >>> <mailto:tay...@fausak.me>> wrote: >>> Thank you all for the wonderful feedback so far! I greatly appreciate all >>> of it. >>> >>> I didn’t mean to be exclusionary with my language before, and I thank y’all >>> for correcting me there. “We’re doing this together for the benefit of all” >>> is an excellent way to say what I’m shooting for here. >>> >>> My goal for the survey is to be useful to many different groups of people: >>> the GHC team, library authors, application developers, repository >>> maintainers, prospective employees, hiring managers, community organizers, >>> and no doubt many more groups that I’m not thinking of right now. I want to >>> avoid results that are neat but not useful. I also want to avoid results >>> that simply throw fuel onto common flame wars. >>> >>> Last year I announced the survey results and provided some commentary. I >>> suspect I’ll do something similar this year, although reading your comments >>> here makes me want to do less analyzing in favor of simply publishing. I am >>> not particularly adept at analyzing survey results and am bound to make >>> some rookie mistakes. In fact, one of the reasons that I published the >>> results last year was so that someone who actually knew what they were >>> doing could slice and dice the data. >>> >>> As far as scheduling is concerned, I plan to keep the survey open for a >>> week, from November 1st to 7th. Publishing the results should happen >>> relatively quickly after that. I slowed myself down last year by rendering >>> a bunch of graphs, and even so I published on November 15th. >>> >>> It sounds like the Haskell.org committee is broadly in favor of backing the >>> upcoming Haskell Weekly survey. Is that correct? In either case, what are >>> the next steps? >>> >>>> On Oct 16, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Boespflug, Mathieu <m...@tweag.io >>>> <mailto:m...@tweag.io>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Since I was pinged up-thread, might as well chime in. If only to say >>>> "I agree": selection bias is what it is. Taylor's efforts to come to >>>> this committee are laudable. And really could help mitigate some >>>> issues we've seen with other surveys. Selection bias isn't something >>>> worth agonizing over, provided we're careful to say in the analysis of >>>> the results: "We found that X% of the respondents of this survey use >>>> Y", not "X% of Haskell devs use Y". >>>> >>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:02, Simon Peyton Jones via Haskell-community >>>> <haskell-community@haskell.org <mailto:haskell-community@haskell.org>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> | Hi Taylor. I like the way you pose things here: "I don't expect that >>>>> | to remove selection bias, but it will let me (us, really) say: We're >>>>> | doing this together for the benefit of all sides". I think that's a >>>>> | better place to start from. >>>>> >>>>> I like this too -- and like Gershom, I'd delete "sides". We aspire >>>>> to work together, not on different sides. >>>>> >>>>> | earlier I've been thinking about a bit, where you wrote: "My goal is >>>>> | for this survey to be *the* authoritative Haskell survey and for the >>>>> | community to broadly accept it's results." >>>>> >>>>> This sounds a bit too exclusive to me, and implicitly critical of other >>>>> work. Better to stick to the positives: you simply want the >>>>> opinions of a broad constituency on a broad range of questions. >>>>> >>>>> | Anyway, this is all a long-winded way of suggesting that it might be >>>>> | good if the purpose of the survey was explicitly set out as trying to >>>>> | inform developers of haskell libraries and tools (and educational >>>>> | materials) regarding the systems their potential users work on and >>>>> | develop, and their habits and practices in doing so, and where they >>>>> | encounter difficulty. That is explicitly as a way of learning rather >>>>> | than as any sort of horse-race or popularity contest. >>>>> >>>>> That sounds good to me -- but again in drafting the goals I'd stick >>>>> to the positives, and not speak about horse-races. >>>>> >>>>> Simon >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Haskell-community mailing list >>>>> Haskell-community@haskell.org <mailto:Haskell-community@haskell.org> >>>>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community >>>>> <http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Haskell-community mailing list >>> Haskell-community@haskell.org <mailto:Haskell-community@haskell.org> >>> http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community >>> <http://mail.haskell.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haskell-community> >>> -- >>> Jasper >>
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