Good question. I think with psi. At least the word ψήφος exists in modern Greek...
Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D. Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger McKeldin Library University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 Phone (301) 405-9337 nf...@umd.edu -----Original Message----- From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd....@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Biella Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 1:17 PM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question Is the Greek word spelled with the letter psi, or with pi and sigma? On November 5, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu> wrote: What I have found is interesting: My Even-Shoshan edition ( copyright 2003, 2006 printing) has: Pesefas (from Greek: pesefos); Alkalay has "Pesefas". Here is the text from our manual: The first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ. For correct romanization it is necessary to consult Even-Shoshan and Alcalay on a case-by-case basis. These initial clusters retain the effect of vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of the prefixes be-, ke-, and le- becomes a ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-. ALA-LC Romanization: Israel. Lishkah ha-merkazit Ii-sṭaṭisṭiḳah. ישראל. לשכה המרכזית לסטטיסטיקה. Universiṭah ha-‘Ivrit bi-Yerushalayim. Makhon li-ḳriminologyah. אוניברסיטה העברית בירושלים. מכון לקרימינולוגיה but: deramah [cf. Alcalay; translation: drama] A few loan words are also treated as though exempt from the rules governing the aspiration/ non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f when preceded by an open syllable. be-Polin [not: be-Folin] (translation: in Poland) I also checked Jastrow and it has have (citing Misnhah Avot: Schecter edition) Pesipas (from the Hebrew: פס; פסיסה) All you Hebrew grammarians out there, can you step in? If we cannot come to a consensus I would suggest that we go with "pesefas" since that is the vocalization that is provided in both ES and Alkalay Best, Heidi Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Metadata Dept. Stanford University Libraries Stanford, CA 94305-6004 ph: 650-725-9953 fax: 650-725-1120 e-mail: ler...@stanford.edu ________________________________________ From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford....@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 7:47 AM To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question Hi Smadar Looking in ES, the romanization is given as "pesifas," with a citation from Avot. My two cents on the matter is that though this is a loan word, it's been in the language long enough to be naturalized. When in doubt, check the HCM: http://online.sfsu.edu/biella/HCM2/hcm.html. Click on "Hebrew and Yiddish romanization" then scroll down to "Foreign loan words." We are apparently no longer obliged to check Alcalay, though it's still of use. Bob On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 11:01 AM, sshtuhl <ssht...@upenn.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > I have a question about the word פסיפס, which is originated from Greek. As a > foreign-loan word it should be Romanized as 'psefas' but in entries it > appears as 'pesefas'. Does anyone have any thoughts on this discrepancy? > Thanks, > Smadar > > -- > Smadar Shtuhl > Hebraica Library Specialist > University of Pennsylvania > Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center > 3420 Walnut Street > Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 > F. 215-573-9610 > ssht...@upenn.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco -- Bob Talbott Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger UC Berkeley 250 Moffitt Berkeley, CA 94720 יול נא מי באי מאי בלאק טעלעסקאפ _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco _______________________________________________ Heb-naco mailing list Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco
