I am revising my early opinion. I think that Jay is correct and he went to a
valid reference work.
Bes, Heidi
Our instructions for foreign loan words in Hebraica Cataloging are quite clear:
The first sheṿa in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is
generally treated as a sheṿa naḥ. For correct romanization it is necessary to
consult Even-Shoshan and Alcalay on a case-by-case basis. These initial
clusters retain the effect of vowel "heightening"--the sheṿa of the prefixes
be-, ke-, and le- becomes a ḥiriḳ: bi-, ki-, li-.
ALA-LC Romanization:
Israel. Lishkah ha-merkazit Ii-sṭaṭisṭiḳah.
ישראל. לשכה המרכזית לסטטיסטיקה.
Universiṭah ha-‘Ivrit bi-Yerushalayim. Makhon li-ḳriminologyah.
אוניברסיטה העברית בירושלים. מכון לקרימינולוגיה
but:
deramah [cf. Alcalay; translation: drama]
A few loan words are also treated as though exempt from the rules governing the
aspiration/ non-aspiration of b/v, k/kh, and p/f when preceded by an open
syllable.
be-Polin [not: be-Folin] (translation: in Poland)
Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
Metadata Dept.
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford, CA 94305-6004
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fax: 650-725-1120
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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Jay Rovner
<jarov...@jtsa.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 7:37 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question
I forgot the dictionary tallies of preceding messages. I have only Alcalay,
from which I conclude that we are not here Romanizing a Greek letter. We are,
rather, Romanizing a Hebrew word. My Alcalay edition treats pesefas and deramah
as Hebrew vocabulary words, vocalizing the first consonant with a sheva, which
it does not do for psikholog. This is not a question of etymology, but of
usage. I think that Israeli speakers pronounce the sheva of pesafas if only
because that helps them accent the final syllable (unfortunately they ignore a
lot of other mobile shevas, ones thatwe do -- and do not -- regard in our
Romanizing).
JR
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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Jasmin
Shinohara
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:53 PM
To: heb-naco@lists.osu.edu
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question
Agreed, Neil. Barry noted the fact that the Greek word starts with a psi.
Does that make any difference to how we want to treat it?
On 11/9/2015 3:31 PM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes wrote:
… which kind of shows that the issue is not very well solved, IMHO.
Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.
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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question
Heidi,
I believe our practice was Pesefas and not Psefas.
Yossi
On Nov 9, 2015 3:21 PM, "Heidi G Lerner"
<ler...@stanford.edu<mailto:ler...@stanford.edu>> wrote:
Based on the conversation I agree with Yosi.
Unless there is strong disagreement we shall romanize
פסיפס
as "psefas"
Best, Heidi
Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
Metadata Dept.
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford, CA 94305-6004
ph: 650-725-9953<tel:650-725-9953>
fax: 650-725-1120<tel:650-725-1120>
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From: Heb-naco
<heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu>> on
behalf of Yossi Galron <jgal...@gmail.com<mailto:jgal...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 12:17 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanization Question
I wouldn't change our practice.
Just lazy.
Yossi
On Nov 9, 2015 3:11 PM, "sshtuhl" <ssht...@upenn.edu<mailto:ssht...@upenn.edu>>
wrote:
Hi all,
We had an interesting discussion about the Romanization of foreign-loan words.
Can we get to any agreement about how to Romanize the word פסיפס?
Thanks,
Smadar
--
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University of Pennsylvania
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Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206
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