Jasmine writes: בגלל has a direct entry, so I’d think it would be romanized biglal (NOT bigelal because as a whole word, the sheva would be considered merahef, ignored in romanization), but the entry also says “see גלל”. So which is it: Biglal or Bi-gelal?
Doesn't HCM say, more or less, "If Even-Shoshan gives both, use THE MORE ANALYTICAL FORM"--that is, the form with the hyphen? This is done, in the same way as we write "Yerushalayim," so the 2nd part of the word will be searchable. Not that I expect people who want to search "biglal" will search "gelal" and expect to find it, but people wanting "Yerushalayim" will find "bi-Yerushalayim" also. And so that all catalogers will romanize these things the same way, after having once looked them up in the dictionary. Joan On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:29 PM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Bi-melot ... > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 22:28 Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco < > heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> We have a title that uses this word: Zeʼev Z'aboṭinsḳi, ha-ish u-mishnato >> : \b (bi-melot meʼah shanah le-huladto) >> >> >> >> Marlene Schiffman >> >> Gottesman Library Technical Services >> >> Yeshiva University >> >> 500 West 185th Street >> >> New York, NY 10033 >> >> >> >> 646 592-4276 (direct) >> >> 646 592-4100 (general office) >> >> >> >> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu....@lists.osu.edu> *On >> Behalf Of *Abend-David,Ilana via Heb-naco >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 1:07 PM >> *To:* Galron, Joseph <galro...@osu.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel < >> heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל >> >> >> >> If so how would you transliterate במלאות 25 שנה ? Would this be correct >> bi-melo'ut ? >> >> >> >> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Galron, >> Joseph via Heb-naco >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:52 PM >> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל >> >> >> >> It is “dangerous” going to Biglal or Bishvil – tomorrow we will say: If >> it is Bishvil so why not change it to Shvil >> >> We also Romanize בירושלים to “Bi-Yerushalayim” and not to “Birushalayim” >> >> >> >> Yossi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Shinohara, >> Jasmin via Heb-naco >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:31 PM >> *To:* Gottschalk, Haim <h...@loc.gov>; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' < >> heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל >> >> >> >> Hi, Haim, bi-gelal would be correct if the ב is considered a prefix to >> the word גלל. But since there is a direct entry for the word as a whole, >> I’m asking if we should romanize it as a whole word instead of as a >> compound word. >> >> >> >> Thanks, Jasmin >> >> >> >> *From:* Gottschalk, Haim [mailto:h...@loc.gov <h...@loc.gov>] >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 12:24 PM >> *To:* Shinohara, Jasmin; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' >> *Subject:* RE: בגלל >> >> >> >> I think it should be “biglal” and not “bi-gelal” because of the sheva >> being treat as a sheva nach (which is how it is in the Alcalay). This is >> in my humble opinion. >> >> >> >> ~Haim >> >> >> >> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Shinohara, >> Jasmin via Heb-naco >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 11:00 AM >> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> >> *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] בגלל >> >> >> >> Hello Collective Wisdom, please remind me: if there’s an entry in E-Sh., >> even if it ends with a “see also”, is that sufficient justification for >> romanizing the word as a word as opposed to a compound? E.g. בגלל has a >> direct entry, so I’d think it would be romanized biglal (NOT bigelal >> because as a whole word, the sheva would be considered merahef, ignored in >> romanization), but the entry also says “see גלל”. So which is it: Biglal >> or Bi-gelal? >> >> >> >> Thanks, Jasmin >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Jasmin Shinohara >> >> Hebraica Cataloging Librarian >> >> University of Pennsylvania >> >> Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center >> >> 3420 Walnut Street >> >> Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 >> >> T. 215-746-6397 >> >> jsh...@upenn.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Heb-naco mailing list >> Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco >> > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco >
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