Very helpful note, DV. I'm going to be on the Playa this year. I'm very happy to go in on a purchase - I think we'd looking at about 32 to 35 panels.
V> -- *Vinay Gupta * * hexay...@gmail.com <hexay...@gmail.com> * *http://re.silience.com* <http://re.silience.com> *Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest* UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, D.V.Rogers <d...@allshookup.org> wrote: > I worked with Thermax CI for the DOMUS project which is the same as > Thermax HD except the external facer is blue instead of white. > > REF: http://domus.urbanaction.org > > Thermax CI and HD is designed to be exposed outdoors for 6-12 months and > has a great thermal rating and reasonable fire rating. > The increased price difference is because its DOW :( At the time i was > interested in using Hunter XCI but they didn't wish to communicate. > Thermax is expensive and difficult to source on the West Coast but I used > http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/ in Burbank, C.A. for supply. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kevin Fischer <kfisc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To >> explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass >> fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing? >> >> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <a...@bregenzer.net> >> wrote: >> > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily >> > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < >> > http://idi-insulation.com/ > and Allied < >> > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ >. Both were willing to sell over the >> > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week >> > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) >> > <hexay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, >> Adam and >> >> Hunter. >> >> >> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information on >> the >> >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? >> >> >> >> V> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Vinay Gupta hexay...@gmail.com http://re.silience.com >> >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >> >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >> >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer <a...@bregenzer.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought >> Dow's >> >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. >> >>> >> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 (link >> to >> >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire rating as >> >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's cheaper >> than >> >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at ~$33 / >> >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly >> >>> reflective, the other is white. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <neversph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area will >> supply >> >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We >> went with >> >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <dr.dan.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials >> that >> >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm comfortable >> with. >> >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized >> interior >> >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating >> potentials. >> >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board itself >> >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff burning >> in a >> >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking of >> keeping >> >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have a >> separate, >> >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious >> electrical >> >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which >> looks >> >>>>> amazing btw. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, means >> >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape joints >> & >> >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the >> foam, and >> >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways reinforced) >> made => >> >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high percentage >> of >> >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight difference >> is >> >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if it's >> a >> >>>>> package I can handle. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid but >> needs >> >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & reflection. >> It's >> >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with >> hybrid >> >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that kind >> of stuff >> >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some quantity, >> but >> >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting that as >> much of >> >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I >> can do the >> >>>>> kits and accessories. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ~ Dan >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <timcann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides >> but am >> >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of >> material for >> >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm >> attracted to >> >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? I'm >> also >> >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural >> implications for an >> >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the "best" >> option for >> >>>>>> the $$. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the risks - >> >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but >> yurts have >> >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do any/all >> >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the supply >> >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other >> manufacturers), do >> >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off >> R-MAX etc. until >> >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. 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