Anyone at American Steel have space they can lend for this? That would work better than my backyard. Also a bandsaw with the right dust vacuuming attachment could be really helpful; I've breathed enough hexayurt dust for a lifetime already.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:24 AM, hal muskat <phoe...@rainbowpuddle.com> wrote: > I might have interest depending on costs . . . > > thank for doing this Kevin. > > AmSteel could have space as well as assembly space??? > > Hal > > On Mar 22, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter Project) > <hexay...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This sounds like a great plan. > > V> > > -- > Vinay Gupta hexay...@gmail.com http://re.silience.com > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Kevin Fischer <kfisc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I asked Ashby Lumber for a quote for XCI 286 so waiting to hear back >> from them. I'm happy to help organize a group buy, but don't have >> warehouse storage space, just unsecure but in practice fine outdoor >> yard space in South Berkeley where I can also host hexayurt build >> sessions. Pretty sure we can get an order for 150 panels together, if >> that's the minimum quantity to get great pricing. >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >> Project) <hexay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Very helpful note, DV. >> > >> > I'm going to be on the Playa this year. I'm very happy to go in on a >> > purchase - I think we'd looking at about 32 to 35 panels. >> > >> > V> >> > >> > -- >> > Vinay Gupta hexay...@gmail.com http://re.silience.com >> > Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> > UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >> > "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >> > in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:09 PM, D.V.Rogers <d...@allshookup.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> I worked with Thermax CI for the DOMUS project which is the same as >> >> Thermax HD except the external facer is blue instead of white. >> >> >> >> REF: http://domus.urbanaction.org >> >> >> >> Thermax CI and HD is designed to be exposed outdoors for 6-12 months >> >> and >> >> has a great thermal rating and reasonable fire rating. >> >> The increased price difference is because its DOW :( At the time i was >> >> interested in using Hunter XCI but they didn't wish to communicate. >> >> Thermax is expensive and difficult to source on the West Coast but I >> >> used >> >> http://foamsalesandmarketing.com/ in Burbank, C.A. for supply. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:40 PM, Kevin Fischer <kfisc...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Is Thermax HD believed to be slightly better than Hunter XCI 286? To >> >>> explain the increased cost, does it have a thicker layer of glass >> >>> fiber foil that adds strength? Or is it pretty much the same thing? >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Adam Bregenzer <a...@bregenzer.net> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > No problem, we found it at a couple of places, it seems readily >> >>> > available at commercial construction supply stores such as IDI < >> >>> > http://idi-insulation.com/ > and Allied < >> >>> > http://www.alliedbuilding.com/ >. Both were willing to sell over the >> >>> > counter and kept the product in stock or within less than a week >> >>> > delivery, they also were willing to deliver locally. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Vinay Gupta (Hexayurt Shelter >> >>> > Project) >> >>> > <hexay...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Really good to know about the Hunter XCI. Thank you for finding it, >> >>> >> Adam and >> >>> >> Hunter. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Could somebody add it to the wiki? Do we have any more information >> >>> >> on >> >>> >> the >> >>> >> supply chain, how to actually buy the stuff? Who's stocking it? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> V> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> -- >> >>> >> Vinay Gupta hexay...@gmail.com http://re.silience.com >> >>> >> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> >>> >> UK Cell : +44 (0)7500 895568 Twitter/Skype/Gtalk: hexayurt >> >>> >> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was >> >>> >> in me an invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Adam Bregenzer >> >>> >> <a...@bregenzer.net> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> We couldn't find anyone who would sell Thermax HD unless we bought >> >>> >>> Dow's >> >>> >>> entire minimum order from them, which is 1,100 sheets. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> The good news is we found an alternative panel, Hunter Xci 286 >> >>> >>> (link >> >>> >>> to >> >>> >>> specs below). It has the same compressive strength and fire rating >> >>> >>> as >> >>> >>> Thermax HD and is available in smaller quantities, also it's >> >>> >>> cheaper >> >>> >>> than >> >>> >>> the quoted price for Thermax, but still relatively expensive at >> >>> >>> ~$33 >> >>> >>> / >> >>> >>> sheet. The foil on both sides is a metal foil. One side is highly >> >>> >>> reflective, the other is white. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> http://www.hunterxci.com/images/submittal_docs/XCI_286_lit.pdf >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:50 AM, "Hunter" <neversph...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> After months of searching we found out no one in the bay area >> >>> >>>> will >> >>> >>>> supply >> >>> >>>> you with thermax hd (if you were buying less than 150 sheets). We >> >>> >>>> went with >> >>> >>>> Hunter xcl (?) which had similar fire properties. >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> On Jun 10, 2014 8:40 AM, "Dan March" <dr.dan.ma...@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> Hey Tim ~ I'm also concerned with safety and look for materials >> >>> >>>>> that >> >>> >>>>> really do the job well.... and with a safety margin I'm >> >>> >>>>> comfortable >> >>> >>>>> with. >> >>> >>>>> The theoretical fire-related risks in a yurt with aluminized >> >>> >>>>> interior >> >>> >>>>> surface are scary with the lens effect and other concentrating >> >>> >>>>> potentials. >> >>> >>>>> Even - or in some hypothetical cases - without the foam board >> >>> >>>>> itself >> >>> >>>>> catching fire, just having any substantial amount of stuff >> >>> >>>>> burning >> >>> >>>>> in a >> >>> >>>>> heat-concentrating structure can get pretty intense. Thinking >> >>> >>>>> of >> >>> >>>>> keeping >> >>> >>>>> any flames out of there, myself. I like to cook but might have >> >>> >>>>> a >> >>> >>>>> separate, >> >>> >>>>> safer place to do it... also experimenting with more serious >> >>> >>>>> electrical >> >>> >>>>> power and using non-flame cooking stuffs like induction - which >> >>> >>>>> looks >> >>> >>>>> amazing btw. >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> It appears to me that a well-constructed H15 (which, to me, >> >>> >>>>> means >> >>> >>>>> mitered corners - which really improve the integrity of tape >> >>> >>>>> joints >> >>> >>>>> & >> >>> >>>>> carrying through the structural properties of the skin over the >> >>> >>>>> foam, and >> >>> >>>>> also means well tied down and weak points like doorways >> >>> >>>>> reinforced) >> >>> >>>>> made => >> >>> >>>>> 1.5" thick board should stand up to an acceptably high >> >>> >>>>> percentage >> >>> >>>>> of >> >>> >>>>> possible weather on the playa. I don't think any weight >> >>> >>>>> difference >> >>> >>>>> is >> >>> >>>>> practically significant. I can lift a whole H15 either way if >> >>> >>>>> it's >> >>> >>>>> a >> >>> >>>>> package I can handle. >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> I'm playing with Hexacomb board. It's quite a bit more rigid >> >>> >>>>> but >> >>> >>>>> needs >> >>> >>>>> waterproofing and possibly some help with insulation & >> >>> >>>>> reflection. >> >>> >>>>> It's >> >>> >>>>> pretty light and about half the price of HD. Also playing with >> >>> >>>>> hybrid >> >>> >>>>> systems - board captured by EMT TinkerToy. Hard to price that >> >>> >>>>> kind >> >>> >>>>> of stuff >> >>> >>>>> though... more of an art statement you live in... >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> Re group buys, Home Depot might special order HD in some >> >>> >>>>> quantity, >> >>> >>>>> but >> >>> >>>>> probably not necessarily a huge amount, so I'm not counting that >> >>> >>>>> as >> >>> >>>>> much of >> >>> >>>>> a barrier. Costs a bit more but like you say... Either way, I >> >>> >>>>> can do the >> >>> >>>>> kits and accessories. >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> ~ Dan >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Tim <timcann...@gmail.com> >> >>> >>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> We'd be interested in a group order as well. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> I'm somewhat new to yurt building. I've read most of the guides >> >>> >>>>>> but am >> >>> >>>>>> yet to read up on true side-by-side comparisons of each type of >> >>> >>>>>> material for >> >>> >>>>>> playa use. I tend to "buy the best" if that makes sense, so I'm >> >>> >>>>>> attracted to >> >>> >>>>>> HD. That said, is it actually that much better on the playa? >> >>> >>>>>> I'm >> >>> >>>>>> also >> >>> >>>>>> curious if it weighs much more, considering structural >> >>> >>>>>> implications for an >> >>> >>>>>> H15. Thanks for any insight. Count us in if this *is* the >> >>> >>>>>> "best" >> >>> >>>>>> option for >> >>> >>>>>> the $$. >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 4, 2014 8:00:20 AM UTC-7, BurnerDan wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Safety is an issue. All campers need to be aware of the risks >> >>> >>>>>>> - >> >>> >>>>>>> especially of fire - in sleeping in many Playa constructs, but >> >>> >>>>>>> yurts have >> >>> >>>>>>> special dangers because of their materials and tightness. >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> Is there any history of encouraging smoke alarm use and do >> >>> >>>>>>> any/all >> >>> >>>>>>> such units remain reliable under Playa conditions? >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, February 1, 2014 6:06:59 AM UTC-8, Vinay Gupta >> >>> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> They're tougher. >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> They're not that much more expensive. >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> They won't catch fire. >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> I feel like this would be a great year to actually fix the >> >>> >>>>>>>> supply >> >>> >>>>>>>> chain issues around Thermax HD (or equivalents from other >> >>> >>>>>>>> manufacturers), do >> >>> >>>>>>>> a container load bulk purchase, and start moving people off >> >>> >>>>>>>> R-MAX etc. until >> >>> >>>>>>>> there's a comprehensive solution for the fire risk. I really >> >>> >>>>>>>> want to solve >> >>> >>>>>>>> this problem before somebody gets hurt. >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt_Safety_Information >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> Vinay >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>> >>>>>>>> Vinay Gupta >> >>> >>>>>>>> Free Science and Engineering in the Global Public Interest >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_arc - the Gupta State Failure Management >> >>> >>>>>>>> Archive >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/gupta_ark - or see it directly on Archive.org >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com - free/open next generation human >> >>> >>>>>>>> sheltering >> >>> >>>>>>>> http://hexayurt.com/plan - the whole systems, big picture >> >>> >>>>>>>> vision >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> "In the midst of winter, I finally learned that there was in >> >>> >>>>>>>> me >> >>> >>>>>>>> an >> >>> >>>>>>>> invincible summer" - Albert Camus >> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>> >>>>>>>> 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