RE: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious

[Ken Birdwell]

"no" sounds kind of nasty, like we're refusing and keeping it to ourselves.  The answer is "we can't".  The bsp's won't load with your version of the engine.  A lot of the demo map files are either lost, changed beyond recognition, never checked in, reference textures that don't exist anymore, or are interim .rmf versions that WC can't read anymore.  The monsters either were never finished, were done with out of date versions of Max, only work in the demo area, only work on privates builds of the engine, or got cut and AI code for them is long gone and nasty to try to dig back out.  Our content database also has limits, so when the level designers are checking in their 1.5MB bsp's once every few days, it doesn't take long with 115+ files to fill up the database (most maps went through 30-50 iterations) and things need to get flushed.  With older content, typically versions only work with very specific builds of the engine, so we'd have to hunt through and recover everything in a hopes that just maybe _all_ the different files still exist somewhere for that date.  You have everything we still have, I spent quiet a while hunting it down to put in the SDK.   Okay, I suspect some of us have CD's buried somewhere at home that have really early builds of the engine.  But, looking at it critically is really embarrassing.  You know those school pictures your mom has of you in 2nd grade wearing that purple and brown velour shirt with you just after losing your front teeth and you had that really bad haircut your dad gave you?  Remember those pictures?  Well, without being very very careful with getting just the right shot, early versions of half-life look like that, except that it's also just about to sneeze.  Hmm.  Okay, maybe "no" is the correct answer.    -----Original Message----- From: Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I asked this question years ago right after HL was released. The whole reason i wanted HL was because of most of what i saw in the demos that never made it in the game. I asked if they would concider releasing the old maps, monsters and other various stuff as kinda like an SDK addon. The answer i got was no.   ~Biggs ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Foss To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: [hlcoders] [OT] question to valve, curious I was digging around in my old CD's box, when I came upon a diamond viper driver disc. it contained a Half-life trailer.   upon watching it, I noticed some cool bits. almost all the monsters in the demo are not seen in the game. (the models still exist) there are also a bunch of maps that didn't make the cut. Datacore is an example, it was originally a singleplayer map.   My question is this: Since HL is actually HL2, because a lot of code, maps, textures, and models were cut/not in the final game, do you still have any of the old stuff laying around, and B: would you consider releasing any of it? I would love to see the original maps, because they look pretty cool. also, does the smelling gibs code work? can the mosters smell out the stinky bodies? :)   --cannibal