Don't forget, we need to pay taxes =) Pubbers may find it "annoying" to be redirected, but they might also find it "annoying" to not be able to connect to a server showing 20/23 because of 3 reserve slots. We use redirects to help players find a server to play on. We use(d) redirects to distribute players, not alter players rates, etc. I'm not entirely susre how this would be "abused," though I can see it being "annoying."
I'll stop using "quotes" when you start acknowledging the other "POV," wim. And thanks for zBlock, it was a very useful plugin. Cheers, SJ On 12/18/06, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wim, Please stop telling people they don't need stuff. Sorry to those who have read this before. We don't need to play CS:S We don't need to play DOD:S We don't need mods. We don't need food. We don't need air. The only thing in life we need to do is die. That's why we all pay so much money to practice killing people. People say that automatic redirects are annoying as hell. Fine. Server admins recognise that therefore we want a COMPROMISE solution which redirects people with their PERMISSION. Cheers. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim Barelds Sent: 18 December 2006 18:11 To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for redirect in SCRDS? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] I do give a crap about admin problems and alike, if I didn't I wouldn't have been 1 of the co-authors of zBlock, among a crapload of other stuff. IMO; it's important to not have the feature from a player's point of view, and it's not all that important to have the feature from a server admin point of view. On 12/18/06, Newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > The guy speaks from the player's POV and simply doesn't give a thing about > admins' problems like servers migration or load balancing. > > Newbie > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Roman Hatsiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:42:43 +0300 > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for redirect in > SCRDS? > > > > > Now I see. There must be only two opinions about everything - yours > > and wrong one. Let me stick to the wrong one please as I'm pretty > > happy with it :) > > > > On 18/12/06, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > You don't need it either, plus pretty much every player that ever > > > gets redirected finds it annoying as fuck. I'm not saying you couldn't > > > find ways to use/abuse it, I'm sure you could and would. But you don't > > > need it. > > > > > > On 12/18/06, Roman Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Looks like your only argument presented in different wordings is "I > > > > don't need it, ". The fact that you don't need this tool or don't know > > > > how to properly apply this tool does not make it less valuable to > > > > other admins. And I'm not going to waste my time convincing you that > > > > you need it because with your single server you don't :) > > > > > > > > On 18/12/06, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > -- > > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > > > Regulars knew the domain name, and it was no problem at all. > > > > > I did not see any kind of player drop on our server when we > > > > > relocated. > > > > > > > > > > > "(would you rather join an empty or populated server?)." > > > > > I would rather join a populated server, which I would expect to > > > > > join when I do. > > > > > > > > > > > "I think by load balancing it's more meant to keep the two or > > > > > > more servers full.. (correct me if I'm wrong)." > > > > > Do you actually play this game? You barely, if ever, get moved > > > > > to a server worth while. Either the server is empty, has some > > > > > fucked up gameplay mods, or has piranesi kind of map. No > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/18/06, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oppss > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant: > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the client resolves an IP to that subdomain, the client saves > the > > > > IP > > > > > > addy in it's favourites and not the domain name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris > Barnett > > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2006 01:32 > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for > > > > redirect in > > > > > > SCRDS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Automatic server redirects are gone for good. As an admin that > never > > > > > > abused > > > > > > them, I'm quite angry at those that did. Such people even used to > brag > > > > on > > > > > > various forums that their servers were full, but at whose expense? > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope some kind of redirect that asks the user, will be > implemented. > > > > As > > > > > > for > > > > > > using a sub-domain for a server, it doesn't work...once the client > > > > > > resolves > > > > > > an IP to that subdomain, the client saves the IP addy in it's > > > > favourites > > > > > > and > > > > > > not the IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim > Barelds > > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2006 00:39 > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for > > > > redirect in > > > > > > SCRDS? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > > > > > Seems like you never had an experience of migrating your servers > to > > > > > > > another ISP. Not to mention other cases when redirection can be > very > > > > > > > useful - load balancing and promoting new server just to name a > few. > > > > > > > Fortunately, as far as I know, Mani promised to restore this > > > > > > > functionality in next version of his mod. > > > > > > > > > > > > I sure did, you should consider getting a subdomain to refer to > your > > > > > > server. > > > > > > I had "deathmatch.BoooM.co.uk", when we needed to "change IP", we > > > > > > could do that without any problem at all. "Load balancing"? Are > you > > > > > > kidding? > > > > > > If a server can't handle 18 players, it should simply not have 18 > > > > slots, > > > > > > there > > > > > > is no problem here. "Promoting new servers"? Why? Why should these > > > > > > servers get any additional promotion over any other new server out > > > > there? > > > > > > If the server is good, it'll get it's own crowd. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/17/06, [GS]Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Thortok2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 5:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I'd like to see: In the 'this server is full, > auto-retry' > > > > dialog > > > > > > > > box, > > > > > > > > have a 'this server recommends' and have a button to push to > go > to > > > > the > > > > > > > > server it recommends. Also, if you attempt to connect to the > > > > server > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > they don't want you playing there, it could be a 'this server > is > > > > > > closed, > > > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > here instead, please update your favorites' and again have the > > > > button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Automatically redirecting you...no, I don't like that, I don't > > > > like > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I actually like this idea and think it should be > implemented.Thenyou > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > have a cvar kinda like the fast download in your server.cfgwhich > > > > you > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > advertise for friendly servers or yours or even other servers > you > > > > own.Or > > > > > > > make it to where gaming communites could put multiple servers in > > > > there > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it would advertise what map and how many players are on it with > join > > > > > > > buttons > > > > > > > along side them.Basically you could make a community over view > join > > > > > > > button.The reason I like it is because of how many people go "oh > I > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > know you had that server!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And Frazer what you said was just funny.But you have a point.But > it > > > > > > would > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > nice to have the ability.Or maybe even put it into another tab, > like > > > > you > > > > > > > have the recent servers make a list from that server config file > > > > that > > > > > > > lists > > > > > > > in blue offset alittle the other servers they suggest.Like upto > 10 > > > > > > servers > > > > > > > or something to that effect.Just my $.02 . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -BeNt- > > > > > > > http://www.gorillazsouth.com [http://www.gorillazsouth.com/] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or 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