You are right, networking 101 teaches that, I took the networking class
in high school, and got my NET+ certification,
Even I know that backups are important, and I'm a college freshman (well
I have enough credits to be a sophomore)
I have backups, and they work, my laptop decided one day to disable all
the user accounts and delete any that were useful (even administrator
was disabled) i got back up and running in 5 minutes, and in 15 i had my
programs back, and in the end spent more time trying to fix the laptop
than trying to recover from it.
after taking networking 101, I now have my computers (and switches and
routers) in my dorm on UPSes, and on a cart that in a power outage of my
floor could be wheeled downstairs, or in an Internet outage, I have a
very long (100 M) cable to reach any other part of the building, and I
could make it longer with a repeater if I had to, but it is long enough.
Valve has a lotbigger budget, and paying customers and a lot better
trained people than me, and should have much better backups and
redundancy, I can survive a loss of service to my floor, with minimal
downtime of my services, so valve should be able to stand the loss of a
city (even by nuke) with minimal affect to the rest of the world, if the
whole US was out of power, or gone by nuking, then I would be okay with
them being off line, for a few days


Scott Tuttle wrote:
Such redundancy is Networking 101 and Programming 101... You can choose to
ignore it if you like... But in the real word it is fact .

Valve is probably making enough money to make it reasonable for them to
invest in a redundant system for that "money making" aparatus.  That is
Economics 101.  You think it looks good to investors that the "backbone" of
the system went down for the entire world because of one geological
disaster?  You think that's a good selling point for software developers
that want to bring their product to market?  273,468 game players couldn't
play because Valve had all their eggs in that one "geographical" basket.
Wise business decision?  You decide...

Ok maybe they are 500 level courses but you still get the point :D


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All I'm seeing is whining, pettiness, and monday morning
quarterbacking.

Lets try this.  If anyone out there has a diagram of the
Valve infrastructure, and a complete understanding of who
they contract with for what services and facilities, then lets see it.

I only am reading people bitching about what Valve should
have done over the last 10 years, and "I could do it better",
without any reguard or perspective on what the real world
impact things may be having in the Seattle area.

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