I second the motion....
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From: "larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 8:54 AM
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get
idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent
view of things, it gets tiresome.
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From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100
"Most of the last updates"
Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for
their
own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with
it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13
year
olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no
beta.
Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all
released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in
investing
any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server
admin guys.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton
Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
Uhh am I missing something?
Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be
updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper
release..
Tom
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From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM
To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats
back.
They did because they needed the communities help.
When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries
with
no
betas.
Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone
told
me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even
stupid
enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that
everything would be released as beta in future.
Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new
binaries
as live and servers were left broken.
So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the
times
they didn't.
If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas
100%
of
the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first.
Chris.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL
Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
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I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many
times
in
the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update
tool's arguments.
On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Duke,
I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if
Valve
just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's
thousands
of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking
for
anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where
they
release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later.
Chris.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke
Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36
To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements
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Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made
available at different times based on many specific requests in the
hlcoders
list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to
release, but they did.
On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not
> implemented
any
> beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own
> marketing
> reasons and to help themselves and not us."
>
> I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so
> we
> could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed
> to
> help us at all.
>
> :rolleyes:
>
>
>
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