1. Yes, so let's get rid of the custom tab and just delist custom servers.

That is, after all, what you are saying. Nobody wants to play custom
servers. I guess that's why I receive enough donations from players to cover
65-70% of my server costs each month.

Because no one wants to play on my 'custom' server.

Right.

The fact of the matter is, people are interested in custom servers.

2. Perhaps custom servers are on the internet tab as a result of the servers
dying due to being 90% less visible.
3. It counts all queries, except if a player queries both servers at the
same exact time (out of game browser.)

I'm in this game for the long haul, the two tabs system in my opinion is
setting things up for a long term failure.

- voogru.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard L. Church
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:10 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab

Perhaps there is another possible reason.

1) Perhaps people are not interested in custom servers as much as you 
may think.
2) Perhaps people don't move to the custom tag because most all of the 
custom servers are in the internet tab currently.
3) Your test environment is flawed. When the game starts up and you 
click on "find servers", it defaults to the internet tab. This means if 
someone wants to go to the custom tab, they HAVE to go to the internet 
tab as well. Please delete the total of the custom queries from the 
internet total. Then, what about refreshes? Are you only allowing 1 hit 
from a specific IP within a certain timeframe? What is that timeframe? 
If not, why do you allow refreshes to count on either tab?

Not trying to say it isn't revealing what your page shows... Just saying 
that it may not be revealing what you expect.

Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
 > Yesterday I decided to do an experiment.
 >
 > I have made 2 experimental servers. These servers are brand new and have
 > never been played on. They will not be in anyone's favorites or HLSW 
viewer.
 > They are not real servers and will not accept incoming connections.
 >
 > One of the servers is on the Internet Tab. The other one is on the Custom
 > Tab.
 >
 > Since the out of game server browser does not have a Custom Tab, all 
servers
 > are displayed on that. Since I really only want to count the queries 
made by
 > the in-game browser so I am filtering out queries if someone queries both
 > servers at the same exact time, some can leak through but I don't 
think that
 > will affect the stats too much.
 >
 > http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php
 >
 > This page is in real time and can be refreshed to receive instant 
updates.
 >
 > At of the time of this writing, the custom tab servers receive about 
a 90%
 > reduction in queries, even after players have had the little message
 > explaining the custom tab.
 >
 > I wish I would have started this experiment sooner.
 >
 > - voogru.
 >
 >
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