Imagine trying to start a new custom community.

Bloody impossible.

>From rank 2... to 50 or so.
http://www.game-monitor.com/tf2_GameServer/87.106.10.138:27019/httpwww.saign
s.de_2FORT_ONLY_FAST_RESPAWN-History.html

>From rank 1... to 65
http://www.game-monitor.com/tf2_GameServer/87.106.10.138:27017/httpwww.saign
s.de_DUSTBOWL_ONLY_FAST_RESPAWN-History.html

And still climbing.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andreas Grimm
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 12:16 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab

The second server in the list of the screen is one of my own servers ... i
have two 32 slot TF2 servers in the custom tab. they were full 24/7 (really
24/7) before the custom tab was released ... now they are full the most
time, too ... but both servers are empty at the night... at the morning it's
hard to fill them up again ...

im am sure, without my big community both servers would die... (and i would
stop supporting valve's games)

the custom tab itself is the WORST idea i have EVER seen ... it's valve's
biggest fault!
i am not amused !

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spencer 'voogru'
MacDonald
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:36 PM
To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab

"I know of a few great servers that continue to stay packed 24/7
despite being on the Custom tab.  "

http://www.voogru.com/images/customtab.jpg

The only full server is an illegal nosteam server. This screenshot was taken
yesterday.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Eid
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:31 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Internet Tab VS Custom Tab

I wonder what the stats would look like if server admins played by the
rules?  I know of a few great servers that continue to stay packed 24/7
despite being on the Custom tab.  I'm sure people have added them into their
Favorites as I have, but I play them constantly and see new players all the
time.  They have to be getting in somehow and I think that somehow is the
Custom tab.

So while everyone is forcing themselves to the overcrowded Internet tab,
these couple of servers are getting the prime spotlight being the few that
are atop the Custom list full with players.

You all should try a "Custom tab week" whereby you all move your Custom
servers to the correct place for a week and see how it goes.

Once everyone plays by the rules, I think the system would work much better.

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Leonard L. Church <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Perhaps there is another possible reason.
>
> 1) Perhaps people are not interested in custom servers as much as you
> may think.
> 2) Perhaps people don't move to the custom tag because most all of the
> custom servers are in the internet tab currently.
> 3) Your test environment is flawed. When the game starts up and you
> click on "find servers", it defaults to the internet tab. This means if
> someone wants to go to the custom tab, they HAVE to go to the internet
> tab as well. Please delete the total of the custom queries from the
> internet total. Then, what about refreshes? Are you only allowing 1 hit
> from a specific IP within a certain timeframe? What is that timeframe?
> If not, why do you allow refreshes to count on either tab?
>
> Not trying to say it isn't revealing what your page shows... Just saying
> that it may not be revealing what you expect.
>
> Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald wrote:
>  > Yesterday I decided to do an experiment.
>  >
>  > I have made 2 experimental servers. These servers are brand new and
> have
>  > never been played on. They will not be in anyone's favorites or HLSW
> viewer.
>  > They are not real servers and will not accept incoming connections.
>  >
>  > One of the servers is on the Internet Tab. The other one is on the
> Custom
>  > Tab.
>  >
>  > Since the out of game server browser does not have a Custom Tab, all
> servers
>  > are displayed on that. Since I really only want to count the queries
> made by
>  > the in-game browser so I am filtering out queries if someone queries
> both
>  > servers at the same exact time, some can leak through but I don't
> think that
>  > will affect the stats too much.
>  >
>  > http://www.voogru.com/server/queries.php
>  >
>  > This page is in real time and can be refreshed to receive instant
> updates.
>  >
>  > At of the time of this writing, the custom tab servers receive about
> a 90%
>  > reduction in queries, even after players have had the little message
>  > explaining the custom tab.
>  >
>  > I wish I would have started this experiment sooner.
>  >
>  > - voogru.
>  >
>  >
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