Valve turned a broken system into a usable system. As a plugin developer I'm very glad to see the changes. My TF2NADES plugin will definitely be adding a tag now that the server admins won't be upset by it.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:27 PM, 1nsane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The tag system is awesome. All the servers that I manage use it. People can > now actually search for my servers. > > You are broken. > > On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:01 PM, Leonard L. Church > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > LOL > > > > Log in man. I was playing Steel when that happened. Look at your player > > log and you will see that I was on. > > > > You have instant respawn on. I'm not making crap up. Tell me, what tags > > do you have on? > > > > Either case, you are still advertising your server as vanilla with > > instant respawn on. Anyone can check (unless you reset it and removed > > that setting). > > > > I simply don't care anymore. Valve, the tag system as it is now is still > > broke. The only way it's going to work is to take the tags out of the > > hands of the server admins and make it automated. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > we've never had instant respawn or no-crits enabled, we've run default > > > servers since the beginning. you can check hlsw and see what plugins > we > > > are running and what respawn and crit settings we have. you just > choose > > > to make up a story about my server and didn't realize I belonged to > this > > > list. we also don't play custom maps either which I would take as > being > > > vanilla. so stop making crap up so you have something to cry about and > > > protest. > > > > > > Leonard L. Church wrote: > > >> Vanilla to me is standard rules of play. Maps don't matter IMHO. > > >> > > >> Instant respawn is NOT part of the rules of play IMHO as well. > > >> > > >> That's the issue. Perhaps I'm coming down to hard on a server owner > who > > >> advertises Vanilla with Instant Respawn on by calling him an ass, but > I > > >> can also see several owners complaining about traffic and doing the > > >> exact same thing screaming about how those servers without vanilla > tags > > >> are "Doomed to fail". > > >> > > >> *sighs* I am sorry I called Dan an ass. Perhaps though you can remove > > >> the tags you don't actually use from the server? > > >> > > >> Dustin Wyatt wrote: > > >> > > >>> That's the problem with "vanilla". I'd call my server vanilla, but > we > > >>> do run custom maps, so others wouldn't. > > >>> > > >>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> and why isnt it vanilla? because it goes to 25/24 when someone with > a > > >>>> reserved slot joins? or that it has hlstatsx? vanilla to me means > > that > > >>>> the gameplay is the same as valve intended with respawn times, team > > size > > >>>> etc. so why are you calling me an ass? > > >>>> > > >>>> Leonard L. Church wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I just got off a server (CircleX-Gaming #2 - 209.160.43.166:27015) > > and > > >>>>> they are listing all the tags including vanilla, but it truly is > not. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Gheez... What asses. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Arg! wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> but this is going to be the same problem we have before, if the > > telcos dont > > >>>>>> put the vanilla tags in for their servers, then the list will be > > corrupted > > >>>>>> and useless for searching. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Leonard L. Church > > >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Really? Are the custom server admins going to argue this point?? > > Seriously? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Put the Vanilla tag on please. Thank you. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Arg! wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> you can have no filters and sort by tags! > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Richard Eid < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The problem with using no tags is there isn't a way (that I've > > found so > > >>>>>>>>> far) > > >>>>>>>>> to have it only display servers with no tags. You either get > all > > the > > >>>>>>>>> servers listed or servers with tags you've added to your > filter. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> -Richard Eid > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Arg! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> vanilla == no tags, surely. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> or only the gamemode tags. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Now, what we need next is to get this in the Steam server > > browser, not > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> just > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> the in game one. > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Richard Eid < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't be against the idea of servers coming pre-set with > a > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> 'Vanilla' > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> tag by default, but only if there aren't any more shenanigans > > with > > >>>>>>>>>>> falsifying the tag info. For example, John Doe decides to > get > > a > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> server > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> going, so he downloads it, adds some custom gameplay > elements, > > then > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> uses > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> a > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> plug-in to keep the server with the only tag of 'Vanilla', > > while > > >>>>>>>>>>> short/insta-spawn and low gravity, among other things, remain > > in play > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> on > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> his > > >>>>>>>>>>> server. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For everyone who is going to play by the rules, what do you > > feel > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> should > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> become of those that skirt the system now? Would delisting > be > > a fair > > >>>>>>>>>>> solution? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> For those that will NOT be properly using tags as intended, > why > > not? > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> In > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> my > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> first e-mail in this thread, I posted a link to a thread in > the > > Steam > > >>>>>>>>>>> forums > > >>>>>>>>>>> in which a server op said that he's not going to use tags > > purely to > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> bring > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> more traffic to his server. How do you all feel about this > > now? As a > > >>>>>>>>>>> player, it's frustrating because it's basically a glimpse > into > > the > > >>>>>>>>>>> near-future and that glimpse tells me it's not going to get > any > > better > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he won't be the only one who will do it. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I guess there's going to be some falsifying of the tag info > no > > matter > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> what > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> happens, but it'd be nice to keep it to a minimum. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Also, for everyone that's responded here, thanks for making > me > > feel > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> better > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about going into the server browser now. It looks like it's > > not going > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> to > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> be > > >>>>>>>>>>> that difficult to find the games I am looking for, save for > the > > few > > >>>>>>>>>>> holdouts > > >>>>>>>>>>> who don't care about tricking people into connecting to their > > servers. > > >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you all again for your time. > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> -Richard Eid > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:48 PM, SakeFox < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> i was kinda surprised that when you turn cheats on it > doesn't > > auto > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> tag > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Ronny Schedel wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO Valve should quickly add a "auto-tagging" feature like > > that. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is already an auto tagging system. It's working like > > before. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> If > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> you > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> change some parameters, like maxplayers, crits, respawn > > times, it > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> will > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> autmatically added to sv_tags. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> archives, > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>>>> -------- > > >>>>>>>>>> Chillidog Systems - Re-inventing the wheel for the sake of all > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> humanity! > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> -------- > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > >>>>>>> please visit: > > >>>>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > please visit: > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > please visit: > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
