The following link should explain it all. It seems that there is actually a limit(and since Vista SP1, a limit can actually be set, if desired), but not to the degree that previous versions of Windows have. For our purposes here, in running the servers and the actual game, those of us using Vista needn't worry about PPM limits. The PPM "limit" is equal to that of the available kernel-mode virtual address space.
As for Saint K., I'd still give the earlier link I posted a shot...the one at halflife2.net. It's worked for countless numbers of people, and you describe a situation where you could easily run into problems directly related to it. Oh, that link... http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_vista -Richard Eid On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM, localhost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Not sure how you're using the word "paging" and you've also got a pretty > important typo in your first sentence. > On 32-bit OS, each process can have up to 2gig of virtual memory, and the > kernel takes the other 2. On a 32 bit OS with the /3gb switch, the kernel > only takes 1 gig, and _if the process has the correct flag saying it can > use memory over 2gig_ (large address aware iirc), it can then use up to 3. > > On a 64-bit OS, the /3gb switch isn't necessary. Instead, if a process has > large address aware set, it can address up to 4 gigs of memory. If not, > still 2. > > As PPM is a kernel level thing, specifying /3gb switch on 32-bit OS will > reduce the PPM size, and (unless you have large address aware programs that > need the virtual memory, have no beneficial effect) > > > On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 02:13:51 -0500, "Luke Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Actually the /3Gb switch enables 32 bit operating systems to page memory > > above 3Gb of memory rather that memory is physical or virtual. In 32 bit > > operating systems client services or programs once they have paged above > > 2GB > > per instance will crash. The 3GB switch for 32 bit operating systems > allow > > programs to use up to 3GB of memory addressing per instance in fact with > > 3-4 > > GB installed into the machine you should see equal virtual memory with > > physical memory in most cases. In default configuration Windows will > > allocate 2GB for the operating system and 2GB max for all other > operations > > such as services or programs. With the PAE switches, especially the > > /userva= > > switch you can allow the operating system to issue 3GB of paging/physical > > memory to each running instance allowing Windows to only use 1GB. Hence > > the > > reason all 32 bit windows operating systems only paging 4GB max. > Depending > > on USB devices and how memory are mapped on those most installations of > 32 > > bit (non-server) O/S's only will see a max of about 3.5GB with 4 > > installed. > > The /Userva= switch has a max allowed usage of 3070 which is a full 3Gb > > most > > people find the need to fine tune that usage in increments of 512, but > can > > be fine tunes in 16-32-64 bit increments if the program you are using > > recognizes this. Here is another link a bit more relavent(?) to Vista and > > explains the paging situation with 32 vs 64 bit O/S and covers some > server > > 2003 instances. > > > > > > http://blogs.technet.com/askperf/archive/2007/03/07/memory-management-unders > > tanding-pool-resources.aspx > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Eid > > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:23 AM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Client crash question > > > > In this case, physical RAM has little to do with PPM. Surely, 64-bit > > Vista > > makes a difference with RAM sizes above 4GB, but he's not running out of > > physical RAM, he's running out of PPM. In XP and earlier, you'll want to > > try to keep the PPM usage below 150,000, which you can observe using > > System > > Information in Process Explorer. With Vista, you really don't have to > > worry > > about it. > > > > -Richard Eid > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Luke Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >> Vista does indeed suffer from the 4GB barrier that Windows XP has, > > unless > >> you use the 64bit version of either operating system or use a server > >> operating system. Note this is an article from 2005 so obviously Vista > >> isn't > >> inside this list but this is what I'm referring to. > >> > >> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Client crash question > >> > >> Vista doesn't have the same Paged Pool and Non-Paged Pool limits that > >> previous Microsoft operating systems do. Unless I'm mistaken, there is > > no > >> upper limit in Vista for Paged Pool memory. So it does matter what OS > > you > >> are on. > >> > >> -Richard Eid > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > >> signature > >> database 3494 (20081003) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent Via http://www.gorillazsouth.com mail server. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 3494 (20081003) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > > signature > > database 3494 (20081003) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent Via http://www.gorillazsouth.com mail server. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
