Left4dead servers are very much easier to run than other source servers, as
so much is decided runtime by the matchmaking system... set your IP and
port, edit the motd and host files, and set a custom hostname and you've
pretty much done all that's needed... optionally set a steam group ID, and
optionally make it exclusive, and I'm struggling to think what else needs
doing.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl Weckstrom
> Sent: 25 November 2008 14:21
> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> files?
> 
> I'm *not* supporting L4D until Valve gets their act together. I made
> the decision a day or two after release and numerous frustrating
> attempts to get it behaving the way I wanted.
> 
> To say "If you can't figure it out, then you shouldn't be a server
> operator" doesn't carry *ANY* weight with me. That's simply a childish
> jab at best and an excuse for valve at worst.
> 
> There is no substitute for proper documentation. <---Read that. Now
> read it again. Keep reading it until you understand what it means.
> 
> Everyone on this list should be *EXPECTING* proper documentation for
> this product. Not begging for it or relying on the few people who
> managed to kinda-sorta figure it out. It's half-assed, and I expect
> better from Valve. I blindly believed that Valve would do right by
> server ops. I won't blindly believe that anymore.
> 
> Call me a whiner. Call me an attention-craver. I don't care. I *will*
> voice my opinion if I feel strongly enough about it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric van Beesten
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:02 AM
> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> files?
> 
> To be honnest, i think he is right. We don't whine, but instead we give
> feedback (some feedback is a little negative formulated.. but its
> feedback).
> I'm sure they all read the mailinglist (hi, guys!!!), but its sometimes
> annoying when you don't know a "roadmap". For example, all the feedback
> we
> have given.. when does it gets updated? And most important, does it get
> updated? Game is out for almost a week now and we still haven't got a
> update. We don't know when the update is coming.
> 
> We indeed contribute to the success of the left4dead games. I'm sure
> that
> valve won't going to host lots of left4dead servers. Giving support to
> game
> buyers is a really important factor, but giving support to
> servermanagers
> (like update info/ roadmaps and maybe server.cfg instruction) is also a
> important factor!
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Olly
> Verzonden: dinsdag 25 november 2008 11:55
> Aan: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> Onderwerp: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg
> files?
> 
> They don't make it a pain.. If you don't know how to setup servers,
> then
> maybe you shouldn't be doing so. There are 1000's of other servers that
> are
> up and working fine without posting a whine thread.
> 
> 2008/11/25 ccfan4326 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > What I meant is that those who rent and host L4D servers are helping
> > to support the game. I guess it's not as significant as with
> > CSS/TF2/etc, but yeah. It's not just Valve either. Why developers
> tend
> > to make it a pain for server admins to setup a server for MP-centric
> > games I do not know.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Dr.Stinglock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > We are not paying them (valve) a cent to host servers.
> > >
> > > There is a once payment  for the client install though.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ccfan4326
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 2:01 PM
> > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and
> server.cfg
> > files?
> > >
> > > We're the ones paying them and paying for servers to support their
> > > game, is it too much to ask for some decent documentation?
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:57 PM, John Du Hart
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >> Indeed. Everyone needs to stop whining about this.
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:28 PM, msleeper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I bet the Valve guys don't either.
> > >>>
> > >>> http://instantrimshot.com/
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 17:07 -0800, Midnight wrote:
> > >>> > I'd be happy to.  My consulting fees are $250/hr, 50% in
> advance.  I
> > >>> > don't work for free sorry.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > gulfy wrote:
> > >>> > > Sounds like you're up to the challenge.
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:53 PM, Midnight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >
> > >>> > >> Like he said though, there is not a central consolidated and
> up
> to
> > >>> date
> > >>> > >> list of information about running L4D servers.  It shouldn't
> take
> > > more
> > >>> > >> than 30 minutes to put together and add to a wiki or forum
> page.
> > >>> > >> Leaving everyone to their own devices to scour mailing lists
> and
> > >>> forums
> > >>> > >> looking for answers is pretty unprofessional frankly.
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >> Kevin Ottalini wrote:
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>> There have been qute a few posts from valve on the linux
> email
> > list
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >> (about
> > >>> > >>
> > >>> > >>> L4D), look there too.
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>>
> > >>> > >>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> http://www.mail-
> archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/maillist.html
> > >>> > >>
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