Do you know what "by design" means? We do not know the intended behavior of anything because we have no documentation. For all we know, there is simply a missing ui component that allows people to switch game modes.
For all we know, servers are supposed to obey their maplist files, and lobbies requesting a specific map that doesn't exist on a server will not choose that server. I say this because of *drum roll* common sense and logical reasoning. Ever consider custom maps? The maplist is central to this issue. Yet now, it is completely ignored. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:38:23 -0500 > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg files? > > It's by design, because it's not an accident? It's by design, because of > exactly what you said? It's not like there are CVARs that control it's > usage that aren't working. If it was designed to be allowed to do those > things, there would be options to set. > > I say it's by design because of *drum roll* common sense and logical > reasoning. > > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 14:27 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > Who are you to say that it's by design? Did you design it? Were you in on > > the meetings? > > > > The fact that you can change to a different mission implies that the lobby > > system is NOT intended to lock the server into a particular map/mission. > > Yet the fact that you CAN'T change to a different game type implies the > > lobby system IS intended to lock the server into a particular game type. > > > > The ONLY reason I can see for this being that case is that if a vote were > > called to switch from versus to coop, up to 4 players would potentially be > > booted. > > The easy way around this problem (and it looks like this is the path that > > Valve took) is to simply disallow game mode switching. > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:07:39 -0500 > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > > > files? > > > > > > These have been addressed before. I'll go warm up a thread on srcds for > > > you. > > > > > > > How do I make my server coop or versus only? > > > > If I can't do that, is it by design, or is it a bug/omission? > > > You cannot; it is by design. The Lobby system handles map decision > > > making. It is somewhat possible to control this by removing the specific > > > BSP files, but this really isn't doing what you want - the Lobby System > > > tells your server to change to X map; it can't find it so it errors out > > > and sends the players elsewhere. This results in having Coop or Versus > > > only play, but is again a huge hack. > > > > > > > How can I switch modes (by calling a vote) in game? > > > > If I can't do that, is it by design, or is it a bug/omission? > > > > > > Not sure what this has to do with Dedicated Server management, it sounds > > > like more of a question for the Steam Forums. But again - you cannot and > > > it is also by design, again because of the Lobby. You started a Coop > > > game, so you will have to leave find a Versus lobby to play a Versus game. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:55 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > > Ideally, documentation is due before the release of a product. > > > > Valve's track record is not an excuse, it's a shame. > > > > > > > > I have problems, I've posted them here, and in other places. > > > > They don't get answered, they go ignored, because no one has an answer. > > > > > > > > How do I make my server coop or versus only? > > > > If I can't do that, is it by design, or is it a bug/omission? > > > > > > > > How can I switch modes (by calling a vote) in game? > > > > If I can't do that, is it by design, or is it a bug/omission? > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:48:42 -0500 > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and server.cfg > > > > > files? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not defending it, I just think it's absurd to be freaking out, up > > > > > in > > > > > arms about not having it. The game has been out for what, 2 weeks? Has > > > > > Valve EVER had 100% documentation after release? > > > > > > > > > > The people who can't seem to get their stuff working seem to be in the > > > > > minority. If you have problems, email them here, and put notes on a > > > > > wiki > > > > > or a forum somewhere until Valved EVENTUALLY documents things. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 12:31 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > > > > I honestly can't believe the people defending the lack of > > > > > > documentation. > > > > > > This kind of behavior is unheard of in software development. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't care if running a server was as simple as: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1: Download this file. > > > > > > 2: Run it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Documentation is a fundamental requirement for any programming > > > > > > project. > > > > > > Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. I hope you don't have jobs in > > > > > > the industry, and I pray no accredited university has awarded you a > > > > > > degree in the field. > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:55:41 -0500 > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] How about some server instructions and > > > > > > > server.cfg files? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seconding. It has more or less been the community's place in the > > > > > > > past to > > > > > > > explore options that are outside the box, and I don't see why L4D > > > > > > > is or > > > > > > > should be any different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want documentation? Play with CVARs and throw you findings up on > > > > > > > srcds.com or the Developer wiki. Thank you for helping us help > > > > > > > you help > > > > > > > us all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 10:09 -0600, Dustin Wyatt wrote: > > > > > > > > QFT. Documentation complete. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Left4dead servers are very much easier to run than other > > > > > > > > > source servers, as > > > > > > > > > so much is decided runtime by the matchmaking system... set > > > > > > > > > your IP and > > > > > > > > > port, edit the motd and host files, and set a custom hostname > > > > > > > > > and you've > > > > > > > > > pretty much done all that's needed... optionally set a steam > > > > > > > > > group ID, and > > > > > > > > > optionally make it exclusive, and I'm struggling to think > > > > > > > > > what else needs > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows > > > > > > Mobile®. > > > > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > archives, please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. > > > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious > > email. > > http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
