... no. I'm saying, it doesn't kick people who dont reach that rate, it just forces them to try to reach that rate. If the can only maintain a lower rate due to connection lag, it's not going to kick them for failing to achieve the desired rate. So i don't think there'd be any ill effects on slower clients, and they're likely not achieveing 30000 in that case anyway, and just arn't going to do well in 32x period.
- Neph On 03/04/2009 06:13 PM, DontWannaName! wrote: > You mean like fake the setting sorta like what sv_alltalk does sometime with > mods that use it? It wouldnt be hard to test, just see if its laggy with the > min set high and your client set low. :P > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Nephyrin Zey<nephy...@doublezen.net> wrote: > > >> Yes i understand that, but what i'm saying is, if you force rate to >> 60000 client side i don't think it 'forces' them to reach that rate, it >> just forces them to have that as their 'target rate' even if they're not >> hitting it (ie due to net being too slow). Could be wrong though >> >> - Neph >> >> On 03/04/2009 05:44 PM, Matt 'mole' Ashton wrote: >> >>> I believe setting sv_minrate enforces the client to run _at least_ that >>> rate. So setting sv_minrate 3500 it shouldn't make a difference as the >>> server will still force the client to run at what you set the minrate to. >>> >>> The same for setting mincmdrate and minupdaterate, where the server >>> >> forces >> >>> the client to take so many updates at minimum regardless of what the >>> >> client >> >>> sets on their side. >>> >>> Or that's been my taking on the way it works at least. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >>> [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Nephyrin Zey >>> Sent: 05 March 2009 01:29 >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Default client rate settings and you >>> >>> That's a good point, though I'm not sure if minrate is 'minimum cvar >>> rate setting for client' or actually enforces the minimum rate that must >>> occur before they're kicked. If its the latter, finding a good rate to >>> enforce (i'd think nearer to 48000 would be appropriate) might help. >>> >>> - Neph >>> >>> On 03/04/2009 05:22 PM, DontWannaName! wrote: >>> >>> >>>> What if we as server ops changed sv_minrate to 60000, wouldnt that fix >>>> >> it. >> >>>> Of course the people who dont have good connection wont do well with it >>>> >>>> >>> but >>> >>> >>>> I dont know how many people that would affect. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Nephyrin Zey<nephy...@doublezen.net> >>>> >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> <this post is about rate settings, not any bugs relating to rate or lag >>>>> that are going around, please keep those to their own threads> >>>>> >>>>> So last night in my TF2 server, one of my regulars was complaining >>>>> >> about >> >>>>> 'the lag', and i asked him to open his console and type rate. '3500' he >>>>> reads to me. Well, no wonder. >>>>> >>>>> This is not the only time i've helped someone up their rate from 3500. >>>>> >> I >> >>>>> also have a scrolling message in my 32x servers advising that you up >>>>> your rate from the normal max of 30000 to even higher. Right now, both >>>>> server and client rate settings have horrible defaults, and it is >>>>> causing lag for everyone. >>>>> >>>>> - rate seems to like to default to 3500 for some people, for some >>>>> reason. I've experienced this myself, no idea what causes it. >>>>> - 32x servers use way more than 30000 rate in heavy action, net_graph 4 >>>>> + spectate makes this very clear >>>>> - Servers have net_splitpacket_maxrate set to 15000 by default, and >>>>> there's little documentation on this. This causes 'skips' when you >>>>> >> first >> >>>>> happen upon a lot of action, as Tony documented. >>>>> - Since the l4d-networking-merge patch, either TF2 is using way more >>>>> bandwidth, or the way it's calculating rate is more aggressive. 30000 >>>>> used to be enough for 32x (though it wasn't perfectly smooth), but now >>>>> its just plain laggy. >>>>> >>>>> So please, everyone make sure your rate/maxrate settings are proper, >>>>> >> and >> >>>>> valve, please take a look at client rate defaults. I'm sure 90% of my >>>>> players are using rate 30000, and this is just a much laggier >>>>> >> experience >> >>>>> than what you could be getting. The other 10% probably have either >>>>> >> 10000 >> >>>>> (and probably have long since learned never to join 32x servers due to >>>>> lag) or 3500. Neither of these is even for even a good 24x server, so >>>>> that sucks. >>>>> >>>>> - Neph >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> >>>> >>> please visit: >>> >>> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> >> please visit: >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
