Yeah I agree. Here we are, back on the "omfg teh beta" argument. As Violent Crimes (lol) and SmOoThEm said, the fact that there are issues with updates isn't anything new to anyone. So I don't know why it is such a surprise or people cause such an uproar when yet another update has some minor problems.
>From here, it looks like everything is fixed more or less. I would be interested in some official word why sv_region was breaking lobby compatibility and/or if we should just permanently remove that variable from our configs if it will not be in use any more. But everything seems to be working, and the defunct fork bug seems to have been fixed as well which makes me jump for joy. On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:57 -0400, f7 f0rkz wrote: > Then they would have beta clients used to test these servers... > > I think its a can of worms to do a beta though... At least they fixed some > of the problems in a relatively fast manner. Give them a day or so and I am > sure things will be back to normal and everyone will be happy. > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, <gamead...@127001.org> wrote: > > > Beta updates make sense for dedicated-server-only fixes... however just > > about every patch also includes balance and/or client-affecting fixes - you > > can't test them with a server beta test > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds- > > > boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Keeper > > > Sent: 01 October 2009 18:37 > > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available > > > > > > Why should they? They have a way to let server operators and players > > > update > > > almost instantaneously. With the way the steam platform works, we > > > become > > > their unpaid QA group. It is a headache for GSPs as well as individual > > > server operators, but is anybody losing money over it? If not, then I > > > can > > > see why they would be hesitant to change their business model. > > > > > > Look at it this way, and I know a lot of people are different, I bought > > > HL2DM when it first came out. I haven't purchased another steam game > > > since > > > then. Yet I still play that game every night. Valve isn't making any > > > money > > > off of me. They don't make any money off the server operators either. > > > > > > Personally, I think it's a horrible way to do business ... but that > > > would be > > > more from a pride standpoint than a business model. > > > > > > Keeper > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SmOoThEm [mailto:ad...@righttorule.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM > > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available > > > > > > In response to Violent Crimes and his post: > > > > > > This has been a major complaint for years now, valve makes all kinds of > > > changes and must release multi patches to fix the original patch all at > > > the > > > expense of the server owners. I'm glad we all have nothing better to do > > > but > > > update and troubleshoot valves broken patch updates all night long. > > > It's > > > become a regular routine fighting just to get our servers online let > > > alone > > > worry about sourcemod or plugin issues because of changes and updates > > > nobody > > > was prepared for. They remove cvars, change gameplay, introduce bugs, > > > and > > > piss a lot of people off every update with the slew of problems that > > > always > > > seem to follow. > > > Once again I make my own plea, I would recommend you guys do the same. > > > > > > PLEASE VALVE, GIVE US BETA TESTING! > > > > > > You do so for steam client updates and such, it could be done for other > > > products too. > > > Give the server owners a break, allow us the chance to test updates and > > > changes to FIND your bugs before it hits the masses and creates major > > > problems. > > > > > > SmOoThEm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
