I'm going to agree with msleeper here. I don't want to hear you whine about how search key and the force dedicated cvars aren't enough for you. I'll also agree with you that some integrated GUI stuff would be nice, but this really isn't the place for it.
If people can't find your servers using them or if you don't know how to set them up on your server, fine, send email. This is for server discussions, not for OMG-VALVE-THIS-IS-WHY-YOUR-GAME-SUCKS discussions. Valve set up SPUF for that. -----Original Message----- From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:07 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key I have only been actively posting since ~last year, but I appreciate it either way. But this also seems like a personal problem not suited for the list, and should be posted about on steampowered. On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 17:02 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're why I left. Yes you, specifically. > I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. > > > From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't > > care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me from doing it. > > > What's your point? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 > > > > From: gulf...@gmail.com > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on this list > > > > isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter <bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. > > > > > I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run many > > > > > servers in the past with no issue. > > > > > > > > > > I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI options - > > > > > not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible while in a > > > > > lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. > > > > > > > > > > The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept my lobby > > > > > reservation are separate. > > > > > > > > > > > From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > > > > > This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff works > > > > > > for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed to. Why > > > > > > doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. Why can't > > > > > > you "actually connect" to the server? That also seems like something > > > > > > that should be important to figure out. > > > > > > > > > > > > The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby leader, > > > > > > specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers are full > > > > > > then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't get what you're not understanding. "I should have the direct > > > > > > option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as the > > > > > > option of being matched to one." That's exactly what search key and/or > > > > > > force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and if it is > > > > > > free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work with > > > > > > minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make sense > > > > > > with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. > > > > > > > > > > > > This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start playing. > > > > > > If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby system > > > > > > and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then use some > > > > > > combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You can't have > > > > > > it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > > > > > > > Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server requires > > > > > that I can actually connect to the server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my server. > > > > > > > I currently can not join my server directly from the steam group server > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from the steam > > > > > group list. > > > > > > > Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining their lobby > > > > > explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joining the server normally results in a "session no longer valid" > > > > > error when it attempts to connect. > > > > > > > Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server is never > > > > > found, and I never attempt to connect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated servers > > > > > list? > > > > > > > My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's free - > > > > > otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with (when I'm > > > > > lobby leader). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on my > > > > > server which isn't functioning as it should. > > > > > > > But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine and my > > > > > favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY hoops > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or a > > > > > favorite server, if available. > > > > > > > Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a favorite > > > > > server, if available. > > > > > > > Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an available > > > > > server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: mu...@anbservers.net > > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add +sv_search_key <key> to launch options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Johan > > > > > Andersson > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM > > > > > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bind F8 "mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Press F8 before starting the search for a server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Couldn't be any easier tbh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > From: "Blood Letter" <bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM > > > > > > > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terrible solution. > > > > > > > > > Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of pointless > > > > > steam > > > > > > > > > groups. > > > > > > > > > (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups for no > > > > > reaosn > > > > > > > > > bugs me a lot too.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. > > > > > > > > > I don't want shitty updates about "your steam group has an event in > > > > > 5 > > > > > > > > > minutes!" popping up all the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a list of > > > > > servers I > > > > > > > > > like. > > > > > > > > > This is what server favorites was for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would love to see the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers > > > > > > > > > - A "Favorite Servers" page which lists servers you have tagged as > > > > > > > > > favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and lobby > > > > > status. > > > > > > > > > - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it from your > > > > > > > > > favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and player count > > > > > allow). > > > > > > > > > - A UI button to "add server to favorites". Show it on the server > > > > > info > > > > > > > > > popup in game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a favorite's > > > > > list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 > > > > > > > > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Make a steam group called "Joebob's L4D Servers" and invite > > > > > everyone. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 <shoskin...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? What > > > > > happens if > > > > > > > > >> > I'm > > > > > > > > >> > in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it take me > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > >> > server > > > > > > > > >> > while everyone else goes to another server? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months L4D was > > > > > out and > > > > > > > > >> > stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby connected > > > > > to it > > > > > > > > >> > (at > > > > > > > > >> > that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. This > > > > > whole setup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > for > > > > > > > > >> > using specific servers is crap, especially when not everyone on > > > > > your > > > > > > > > >> > friends > > > > > > > > >> > list is in any one particular Steam Group. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna < > > > > > halflife...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > >> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get your own > > > > > server > > > > > > > > >> >> every > > > > > > > > >> >> time without having to enter it once you get in game. > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > > archives, > > > > > > > > >> > please visit: > > > > > > > > >> > 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