I personally don't want people connecting to my servers via IP's or hostnames. I would like to see search_key become a little more friendly, but I think that is *the best* way to connect to steam community servers. I have 8 servers for our community, I don't want them having to force_dedicated_server <host> because what if that's full? All 8 are configured identically, you should just have to automatically pick an available one.. I think forcing people to connect directly to one is bad -- let the computer do it, that's what it's for.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Tony Paloma <drunkenf...@hotmail.com> wrote: > I'm going to agree with msleeper here. I don't want to hear you whine about > how search key and the force dedicated cvars aren't enough for you. I'll > also agree with you that some integrated GUI stuff would be nice, but this > really isn't the place for it. > > If people can't find your servers using them or if you don't know how to set > them up on your server, fine, send email. This is for server discussions, > not for OMG-VALVE-THIS-IS-WHY-YOUR-GAME-SUCKS discussions. Valve set up SPUF > for that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of msleeper > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:07 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key > > I have only been actively posting since ~last year, but I appreciate it > either way. But this also seems like a personal problem not suited for > the list, and should be posted about on steampowered. > > > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 17:02 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: >> Oh shut up, you've been posting your dumb crap here for years, and you're > why I left. Yes you, specifically. >> I came here for help about my problem, and all of one person has had the > decency to even respond - luckily it was someone with the same problem. >> >> > From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com >> > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:00:09 -0500 >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > >> > The point is that you're blowing hot air at a bunch of people that don't >> > care. Get a blog or post your whining on steampowered. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 16:56 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: >> > > And telling me to not complain on this list isn't going to stop me > from doing it. >> > > What's your point? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:44:34 -0600 >> > > > From: gulf...@gmail.com >> > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > >> > > > They should be GUI options, but they aren't. And complaining on > this list >> > > > isn't going to get valve to add it to L4D2. >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blood Letter > <bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com>wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > I've already posted about it, and someone else has the same issue. >> > > > > I have the most basic of configs. It should work, and I have run > many >> > > > > servers in the past with no issue. >> > > > > >> > > > > I don't get what you don't understand - these should all be GUI > options - >> > > > > not things I have to set in the console (which is inaccessible > while in a >> > > > > lobby) or bind to shortcut keys or to the startup options. >> > > > > >> > > > > The issues I'm having with getting the server to properly accept > my lobby >> > > > > reservation are separate. >> > > > > >> > > > > > From: mslee...@ismsleeperwrong.com >> > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:44 -0500 >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This seems like a lot of user error then since all of that stuff > works >> > > > > > for everyone else, or at least works as much as it is supposed > to. Why >> > > > > > doesn't search key work for you? You should investigate that. > Why can't >> > > > > > you "actually connect" to the server? That also seems like > something >> > > > > > that should be important to figure out. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The search key and force dedicated servers lets you, as lobby > leader, >> > > > > > specify what servers you want to preference to. If the servers > are full >> > > > > > then you'll go to another server, just like you normally would. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I don't get what you're not understanding. "I should have the > direct >> > > > > > option of choosing a server (mine and my favorites) as well as > the >> > > > > > option of being matched to one." That's exactly what search key > and/or >> > > > > > force dedicated servers does. You specify a server to use, and > if it is >> > > > > > free then you go to it. Your little list of complains all work > with >> > > > > > minimal effort, except the first one which doesn't really make > sense >> > > > > > with the type of environment in L4D/L4D2. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > This isn't TF2 or CSS, you can't just join any server and start > playing. >> > > > > > If you want to do that, then remove your server from the lobby > system >> > > > > > and connect directly via IP. If you want to use a lobby, then > use some >> > > > > > combination of the many server CVARs to make it possible. You > can't have >> > > > > > it both ways, they conflict how eachother work. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 15:24 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: >> > > > > > > Uh, search key doesn't work for me, and force dedicated server > requires >> > > > > that I can actually connect to the server. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I currently can not start a lobby and join the lobby to my > server. >> > > > > > > I currently can not join my server directly from the steam > group server >> > > > > list. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have to have someone outside of my lan join the server from > the steam >> > > > > group list. >> > > > > > > Then and only then am I able to join the server (by joining > their lobby >> > > > > explicitly or implicitly through the steam group server list). >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Joining the server normally results in a "session no longer > valid" >> > > > > error when it attempts to connect. >> > > > > > > Using a search key results in absolutely nothing - the server > is never >> > > > > found, and I never attempt to connect. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > And why would I set a default search key or force dedicated > servers >> > > > > list? >> > > > > > > My server is public and I would only want to use it if it's > free - >> > > > > otherwise I'm content joining whatever server I'm matched with > (when I'm >> > > > > lobby leader). >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can bind shortcuts. I can set launch options. I can get on > my >> > > > > server which isn't functioning as it should. >> > > > > > > But I should have the direct option of choosing a server (mine > and my >> > > > > favorites) as well as the option of being matched to one. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > It's not rocket science. I shouldn't have to jump through ANY > hoops >> > > > > to: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Open the game, get directly (no lobby screen) to my server or > a >> > > > > favorite server, if available. >> > > > > > > Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to use my server or a > favorite >> > > > > server, if available. >> > > > > > > Open the game, make a lobby, tell it to match me to an > available >> > > > > server. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > From: mu...@anbservers.net >> > > > > > > > To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:54:12 -0500 >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Add +sv_search_key <key> to launch options >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > From: hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com >> > > > > > > > [mailto:hlds-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of > Johan >> > > > > Andersson >> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:04 PM >> > > > > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > bind F8 "mm_dedicated_force_servers IPADRESS" >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Press F8 before starting the search for a server. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Couldn't be any easier tbh. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > > > > From: "Blood Letter" <bw_bloodlet...@hotmail.com> >> > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 10:41 PM >> > > > > > > > To: <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Terrible solution. >> > > > > > > > > Nothing bugs me more than being a member of a bunch of > pointless >> > > > > steam >> > > > > > > > > groups. >> > > > > > > > > (Well, automagically being joined to random steam groups > for no >> > > > > reaosn >> > > > > > > > > bugs me a lot too.) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I don't want that crap cluttering up my friends list. >> > > > > > > > > I don't want shitty updates about "your steam group has an > event in >> > > > > 5 >> > > > > > > > > minutes!" popping up all the time. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I shouldn't have to put up with that crap to maintain a > list of >> > > > > servers I >> > > > > > > > > like. >> > > > > > > > > This is what server favorites was for. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Would love to see the following: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > - An extra button on the UI - Favorite Servers >> > > > > > > > > - A "Favorite Servers" page which lists servers you have > tagged as >> > > > > > > > > favorite, their ping, map, player count, game mode, and > lobby >> > > > > status. >> > > > > > > > > - Ability to select a server from the list and remove it > from your >> > > > > > > > > favorites or connect to it (if lobby restrictions and > player count >> > > > > allow). >> > > > > > > > > - A UI button to "add server to favorites". Show it on > the server >> > > > > info >> > > > > > > > > popup in game. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I'm not even asking for a full server browser - just a > favorite's >> > > > > list. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> From: matthew.j.gottl...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:32:03 -0600 >> > > > > > > > >> To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com >> > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Server Key >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> Make a steam group called "Joebob's L4D Servers" and > invite >> > > > > everyone. >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:25 PM, shoskins73 > <shoskin...@gmail.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > I'm assuming that only works if I'm the Lobby Leader? > What >> > > > > happens if >> > > > > > > > >> > I'm >> > > > > > > > >> > in someone elses Lobby and they start the game, will it > take me >> > > > > to my >> > > > > > > > >> > server >> > > > > > > > >> > while everyone else goes to another server? >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > Long story short, I had a server for the first 2 months > L4D was >> > > > > out and >> > > > > > > > >> > stopped using it as it was such a PITA to get a Lobby > connected >> > > > > to it >> > > > > > > > >> > (at >> > > > > > > > >> > that time there was no sv_search_key function at all. > This >> > > > > whole setup >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > for >> > > > > > > > >> > using specific servers is crap, especially when not > everyone on >> > > > > your >> > > > > > > > >> > friends >> > > > > > > > >> > list is in any one particular Steam Group. >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Jake Skenna < >> > > > > halflife...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > > >> > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> >> I'd put the command in an autoexec.cfg so you can get > your own >> > > > > 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