Shutting down communities won't help anything, anyone will just either stop playing TF2 or hop right on a Valve server, you'd be doing what Valve wants you to do.
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Ash . <astrida...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I'll be honest, after hearing these same talking points many times over I > have only one more thing to say. > > Valve aren't gonna listen until players make waves. That isn't going to > happen by us complaining. There's only one sure-fire way to get this to > happen. > > Make a fuss in our own communities about it. > > Ask our own community members who know how much time we put in to running > servers to support our cause. Ask them to join the FQP group. At least that > way we can co-ordinate our efforts as admins. I know a number of you on > this mailing list are already members. > > Failing that, I'm being brutal by saying this, shut down our servers. Even > if only temporarily. When people in our communities ask why, tell them and > ask them to personally email Valve and post on the TF2 forums on Steam. > That will get attention. > > The sort of volume of attention that would generate would at least > hopefully get a response from Valve. > > How many members do all of our communities actively hold? > > On 4 August 2015 at 22:44, Tim Anderson <twjander...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It amazes me that there are people like you that think like that. How bad >> can Valve fanboys get? >> >> How are we supposed to police other people's servers? I have personally >> made dozens of reports and Valve has done nothing to them for months before >> I stopped bothered to check. What else are we supposed to do? >> >> It is Valve's job to keep the server list clean. And they did it the lazy >> way by virtually banning community servers. Now they keep killing community >> servers by only introducing official server only content. >> >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Lyrai <lyr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> That thought process is why we are where we are now. Valve doesn't trust >>> community servers to police the community beyond their own nose. They tried >>> to trust us for years and nothing happened. Terrible servers and shitty >>> communities ran rampant, and it was the duty of the community to try and >>> stop them, especially if the community wants to turn around and screech >>> like a howler monkey that Valve OWES you something because we're the >>> LIFEBLOOD and we're the reason they exist yadda yadda. >>> >>> Valve put the game in our hands, and no one did a damn thing about the >>> health of the game on the whole until it affected them, personally. Only >>> then did the persecution complex kick into high gear, and we busted out the >>> crack theories that Valve has specific anti community people who secretly >>> move against you instead of, you know, just fucking striking you from the >>> server list like an actual Valve employee would do. Any one server owner is >>> not important enough to even entertain the paranoia theories abound here. >>> >>> There is one group responsible for the state of the tf2 community, and >>> its the tf2 community. >>> On Aug 4, 2015 1:32 PM, "Tim Anderson" <twjander...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> We are not responsible for other people's actions. Does the police jail >>>> an entire neighborhood because they keep finding criminals there? If you >>>> want me to be responsible for what other people do, then give me the >>>> ability to ban servers from the master list. >>>> >>>> The way Valve dealt with bad servers, if that is actually the problem, >>>> is both lazy and unfitting of a supposedly top company. >>>> >>>> I remember deciding between joining a battlefield or tf2 community, and >>>> thinking that the tf2 community would last longer because battlefield >>>> community servers were second tier servers much like tf2 servers are now. I >>>> thought to myself, Valve would never do something like that. At least EA >>>> didn't change such a major aspect in the middle of the game's lifetime. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>>> proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can blame your fellow server-ops for that. >>>>> The only thing you can blame valve for is kicking all our asses >>>>> instead of adding a proper report and blacklist system to deal with these >>>>> ********. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Matthias "InstantMuffin" Kollek < >>>> proph...@sticed.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can blame your fellow server-ops for that. >>>>> The only thing you can blame valve for is kicking all our asses >>>>> instead of adding a proper report and blacklist system to deal with these >>>>> ********. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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