I don't think anybody on this list actually thinks that cheating is right in anyway. Some of us run organisations and provide services and servers that are paid for. Making us liable, and in Europe consumer's are protected and can be taken to court by the government for not allowing these rights.
I am not interested in people's moral standing on cheating, as I said, I would hope that's all pretty much in agreement. I am interested in how this can be done legally for when it all back-fires miserably.
Valve may be a US company but they retail into the European market, meaning they are liable under European laws, whether they are European blanket laws, or laws of an individual countries. Which is why Microsoft is losing battles left right and centre in Europe because the laws are far stricter than in America regarding these sorts of things.
This thread may not have any relevance for American server providers, but I would be interested in the views of other European or UK based providers, and what Valve have to say on the subject.
Daniel Stroven wrote:
Nelson,
You think a one year ban is an extreme measure against cheaters? 100 years ago, it was pretty much legal in WHATEVER country you lived in to kill another man for cheating at playing cards. It is exactly people like you who promote cheating. You want people to think of cheating as some minor issue that is harmless..even make excuses for it. Cheating in a game, in school, on the job or any place else is not harmless or a small matter.
Cheating is unethical, immoral, dishonest, fraudulent, and about million other things wrong or illegal. The problem is people like you who teach the next generation that cheating is not a big deal. People like you make them think its not wrong because some loophole in a law can't prevent it or because it doesn't hurt anyone. It's people like you who think only of what is good for themselves and not the majority of people.
For me, it has nothing to do with whether your European, or American or whatever. Right its right and wrong is wrong. Cheating in ANY form is wrong. A one year ban for multiple cheating violations (cheaters typically cheat all the time and have been caught multiple times already) is not extreme. Nor is it unreasonable, unjust, cruel or unusual. If I made the decisions for the length of time someone was banned for cheating...it would be a true perm ban.
Btw, your not an attorney so spare us your opinion concerning which laws of Europe would be best used to defend or protect a cheater. Valve is not a European company. You want to file a lawsuit against Valve, to protect the "rights" of cheaters...come to the US and do it. Otherwise save your excuses about cheating for cheaters, I don't want to read anything from a server admin who defends and supports cheaters. It doesn't belong here and neither do you. We are AGAINST cheaters, not for them.
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