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From: "Frash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

@ Steve: Get your facts straight or stay out of this discussion please.


Which fact do you believe I stated wrongly that its not a documented
API if so I quote:
Alfred Reynolds wrote:
They are using an undocumented hack to display those menus, this
update removes the hack and so they can no longer use it (because
the last subsystem that was using it, radio menus, has finally
been fixed to be client side). They have a plugin API to display
messages to users and get feedback, they should use that.

I don't disagree that the function they are using may well be helpful
but the facts are that when you use undocumented hacks you have
no come back when they just stop working. I know I code for a living
and have use things like this in past but although I may cus when
things like that just don't work anymore I know I only have myself
to blame for using them in the first place.

I think valve has been very considerate in this matter and have
already offered to take in any requirements the mods have.
Alfred Reynolds wrote:
I would love the authors of these programs to contact me and
discuss their needs. We are trying to minimise the visual clutter
that plugins introduce in the game, but we are always flexible
(we will not tie ourselves to maintaining out of date code just
because they found a way to trigger it however).

And as such I must protest when people get the wrong end of
the stick and start spouting things like:
"Valve bullying server plugin developers"

Valve do a bang up job on support, the only other developer in
the same league when it comes to support are Epic. They both
do as much as they can to support the community although some
don't seem to appreciate them.

   Steve / K


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