-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] What I personally would like to know is if others are seeing the same pattern we are?
I don't know how many of you are setup to do the analysis I asked about, and if you do not have the systems in place, then it suddenly becomes a non-trivial task to work out. On 9/7/07, Dan Offord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > What is really needed then is a project liked SteamBans but, only bans the > IP's of cheaters shared between hosts. > If they do indeed have multiple ip's then a mass ban via servers would > make > cafe owners think twice about it all. > > > On 07/09/2007, Crazy Canucks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Personally I think you should ip ban. It's up to the NetCafe operators > > to make sure cheats aren't being installed and used on their machines. > > Maybe if they find their clients unable to access servers they will get > > the hint and start using proper security and policing on their > machines... > > > > Drek > > > > Guy Watkins wrote: > > > } -----Original Message----- > > > } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux- > > > } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper > > > } Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:39 AM > > > } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; HLDS > > > } Subject: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on Servers > > > } > > > } -- > > > } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > > } The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary. > > > } > > > } It is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the > > cheats > > > } we see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe > > > } Accounts. > > > } > > > } VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to the > > majority > > > } of > > > } normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning stats, but for all > I > > > } know > > > } it maybe banning boatloads of players. > > > } > > > } The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect > > > } whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe > > users > > > } to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and > then > > log > > > } back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and > > renter > > > } the > > > } server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being > VAC > > > } banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > > aren't > > > } yours any how? > > > } > > > } Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are connected to the > Internet > > via > > > } Static IP's. > > > } > > > } It is a rather trivial task to go through the logs with a program > like > > > } HLStatsX and run a query that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a > per > > IP > > > } basis. > > > } > > > } Then you check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to > > them, > > > } and then you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and > run > > it > > > } at > > > } server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on your > > > } server. > > > } > > > } If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in question > > just to > > > } be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, but most > often > > you > > > } will find that these are not going to have Netcafe accounts > associated > > > } with > > > } them anyhow. > > > } > > > } But you can be almost certain that if you see more than 20 > STEAM_ID's > > > } originating from the 1 IP address, you have found a NetCafe that is > > using > > > } your servers. > > > } > > > } Now the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start > > IP > > > } banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves > > NetCafe > > > } program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly difficult > > to > > > } find > > > } servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding that > > if > > > } you > > > } IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that IP's > > server > > > } browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up as not > > > } responding, in either case the result is the same. > > > } > > > } I do not have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning > > exists, > > > } there is no other way to stop cheats on servers who have effectively > > > } unlimited access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them. > > > } > > > } Thoughts? > > > } -- > > > > > > Wow, that explains something I see. When someone says "please ban > > <user>", > > > the user just says "ban me lol". Or something similar. I was > assuming > > they > > > must have a keygen and did not care because they could generate a new > > key > > > quickly. I would love to see someone post a list of IPs to ban. I > > would > > > ban them at the firewall. > > > > > > I really do wish Valve would ban cheaters instantly. The aim bots are > > > perfect and really ****up the game for everyone else. > > > > > > I guess when I see someone cheating I should ban the user and IP > > address. > > > But as you say, the NetCafe would become useless over time. > > > > > > Guy > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > -- > .: =CATS= Gaming :. > .: http://www.catsgaming.com :. > .: This email contains information that maybe confidential if your not the > intended recipient, please delete this email :. > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
