-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] ban the netcafe cheater accounts via IP - it is in the interest of the netcafe owner to secure their computers so that cheats cannot be installed
nic > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Reducing Cheats on Servers> Date: Fri, > 7 Sep 2007 00:59:03 -0400> > } -----Original Message-----> } From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED] [mailto:hlds_linux-> } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Whisper> } > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:39 AM> } To: > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com; HLDS> } Subject: [hlds_linux] Reducing > Cheats on Servers> }> } --> } [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative > ]> } The following is only our point of view, your mileage may vary.> }> } It > is becoming increasingly apparent to us that the majority of the cheats> } we > see on our Counter-Strike:Source servers are coming from NetCafe> } > Accounts.> }> } VAC for the most part seems to be working as a deterrent to > the majority> } of> } normal users. I do not have access to VAC banning > stats, but for all I> } know> } it maybe banning boatloads of players.> }> } > The main problem here is, VAC's delayed banning system has no effect> } > whatsoever on NetCafe Accounts, as it is a simple case for a NetCafe users> } > to log out of the STEAM account they are using at the NetCafe and then log> } > back in when they have been banned from a server by an admins and renter> } > the> } server with a new STEAM_ID, and in any case, who cares about being > VAC> } banned if you effectively have unlimited access to STEAM_ID's that > aren't> } yours any how?> }> } Here is the thing though, most Netcafes are > connected to the Internet via> } Static IP's.> }> } It is a rather trivial > task to go through the logs with a program like> } HLStatsX and run a query > that generates a list of STEAM_ID's on a per IP> } basis.> }> } Then you > check to see which IP's have lots of STEAM_ID's attached to them,> } and then > you add those IP addresses to your banned_ip.cfg file and run it> } at> } > server start, instant mass reduction of cheats you will see on your> } > server.> }> } If you want to be sure, just do a traceroute to the IP in > question just to> } be sure you are not wiping a college or university out, > but most often you> } will find that these are not going to have Netcafe > accounts associated> } with> } them anyhow.> }> } But you can be almost > certain that if you see more than 20 STEAM_ID's> } originating from the 1 IP > address, you have found a NetCafe that is using> } your servers.> }> } Now > the problem for Valve, is if lots of Game Server Providers start IP> } > banning NetCafes from their servers, it instantly devalues Valves NetCafe> } > program, since the NetCafe users will find it increasingly difficult to> } > find> } servers to play on the Internet. In fact it is my understanding that > if> } you> } IP ban, then your servers will no longer even come up on that > IP's server> } browser, they will either not show up at all, or they show up > as not> } responding, in either case the result is the same.> }> } I do not > have a simple answer to this, but whilst delayed banning exists,> } there is > no other way to stop cheats on servers who have effectively> } unlimited > access to STEAM Accounts, other than to IP ban them.> }> } Thoughts?> } --> > > Wow, that explains something I see. When someone says "please ban <user>",> > the user just says "ban me lol". Or something similar. I was assuming they> > must have a keygen and did not care because they could generate a new key> > quickly. I would love to see someone post a list of IPs to ban. I would> ban > them at the firewall.> > I really do wish Valve would ban cheaters instantly. > The aim bots are> perfect and really ****up the game for everyone else.> > I > guess when I see someone cheating I should ban the user and IP address.> But > as you say, the NetCafe would become useless over time.> > Guy> > > > _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit your > list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _________________________________________________________________ Check out some new online services at Windows Live Ideas—so new they haven’t even been officially released yet. http://ideas.live.com -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
