No dice. IPV4 still cant talk effectivley (if at all) to IPV6 - so on the edge it is inherently useles.. simply because either everyone has to be able to use it or no one.
(example: ipv6.google.com) Thomas Morton ++ No problem should ever have to be solved twice ++ 2008/11/27 Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yea, the problem is, I'm a network engineer myself as well. > > Anyhow, besides that, you can discuss long or short on the subject on how > bad, good or whatever IPv6 is. The bottom line remains, it will be > implemented, it will be fast, and there is no way around it. > > At one certain point IPv4 ranges simply won't be provided anymore, and > ISP's > will have to continue with IPv6. It will happen, and on ISP level, it's > already being experimented and implemented at large scale. > > IPv6 ranges also will be cheaper for ISP's to buy. One of the main reasons > for ISP's to start implement IPv6 as well. As ISP need to battle with other > ISP's on the price market, one thing they always try to do, is cutting cost > were ever possible. > > On the professional market and internally with companies, you might indeed > find that IPv4 will be used internally for bloody ages to come. But the > edge > of the network will be IPv6, more likely sooner then later. > > Cheers, > > P.s. IPv6 is around already for such a long time, that Cisco equipment we > currently remove from networks to get upgraded, already carried IPv6 > support! Seeing Cisco is used in most core networks, its rather safe to say > that most important devices in the field are already IPv6 capable, even at > routing protocol level. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas > Morton > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:50 PM > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hlds/srcds ipv6 support > > > Before you make any other statements based on nothing, please consult; > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 > > Sorry to plug on a subject ;) but I wold like to respond to this (veiled > insult...) with some credentials. > > I work for an IT security firm - we deploy large networks to companies > globally. We also work with ISP's on various tasks. I am a qualified > Electronics Engineer (and probably know about network protocols and the > IPV6 > stack than you imagine) and experienced (ish) programmer. > > I admit that my knowledge of the higher level of networking (like actually > building one) is a little lapse (improving) but my technical knowledge is > very good :) > > The WP article has barely any information on it (and certainly no links to > decent critiques of IPV6). Wikipedia is fair useless for networking stuff > :( > > We work with companies on network projects in the $millions scale. They > will > tell you IPV6 is too costly (especially in the current climate) and not fit > for purpose. They are alreayd pushing for IPV8 (and we have been informed > by > one multinational they will not even consider "upgrading" to a new tech > until both IPV8 fixes IPV6 AND it all becomes backward compatible). > > That last point is crucial. It is why IPV6 will only ever be deployed in > brand spanking new networks.... (read: very few :)). > > > Thomas Morton > > ++ No problem should ever have to be solved twice ++ > > > 2008/11/27 Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > The ISP's in the Netherlands are already starting to roll out IPv6. The > > SIDN, local top level domain administrators already fully support IPv6. > > Special setup government actions are being coordinated for a faster IPv6 > > rollout. > > > > IPv6 is coming way faster then you can imagine. > > > > Before you make any other statements based on nothing, please consult; > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 > > > > Cheers, > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Japje | > > Jasper Wonnink > > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:52 PM > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] hlds/srcds ipv6 support > > > > > > Thomas Morton wrote: > > > Implementing IPV6 is probably more of a pain than they can be bothered > to > > > work at (I would imagine). > > > > > > Seeing as it *still* is not ready, complete or accepted as standard > > (another > > > 3 or 4 years do we reckon?) it seems fairly pointless. > > > > It is ready, and has been for many years. Major hardware company's like > > juniper and cisco allready support it on all their core routers. Ipv6 > > is not something new, its been around as early as 1995. > > > > > > > Plus of course you have the IPV6 jack of all trades useless for > anything > > > else problem - I can see it ending up as a stop gap. > > > > You do know what a network stack is right? > > > > > Until IPV4 drops off as the standard protocol I doubt anyone much will > be > > > implementing it - and by that time I fully expect we will see IPv10 at > a > > > decent (better) standard... > > > > Ipv4 will never be dropped within the next decade because there is > > legacy equippment that will never support ipv6 (products not being made > > anymore but still in use) > > > > And dont expect an ipv10 within the next half a decade. > > > > Ipv6 brings a lot of good things like performance and stability and easy > > configuration. Better routes and we are finally get rid of NAT. which is > > _NOT_ a security feature! > > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2p :) > > > > > > But IPV6 support WOULD be awesome nevertheless :D > > > > > > Thomas Morton > > > > > > ++ No problem should ever have to be solved twice ++ > > > > > > > > > 2008/11/27 Saint K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >> Agreed, we're closing into a country wide IPv6 rollout as well here, > so > > it > > >> would be more then advisable to get IPv6 support up as soon as > possible! > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Japje > | > > >> Jasper Wonnink > > >> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:20 PM > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > >> Subject: [hlds_linux] hlds/srcds ipv6 support > > >> > > >> Hey guys, > > >> > > >> After a long time i decided to put up some servers again, and lately > im > > >> working on a lot of ipv6 business cases so i wondered if hlds > supported > > >> it and i tried to bind my hlds to an ipv6 address, which it failed > (came > > >> as little surpise). > > >> > > >> And i wondered if you are planning to support the ipv6 stack (which > > >> include ipv4 as a bonus). > > >> > > >> And to the fellow admins if they have ipv6 and would like to see it > > >> supported aswell. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Regards, > > >> Japje > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
