They talk about this directly in their blog post. They are trying to find a way to delist servers that does not use information from the servers themselves. Any information sent to the master server or to a status request can be faked. If all they were to do was strict up on listing servers that reply wrong, the fake servers scripts would just make themselves harder to detect. By using player data, which comes from many sources, and in large enough sample sizes can be trusted, rather than any data retrieved from the server (which can all be faked) they have effectively circumvented this issue. I imagine that the algorithm is still being tweaked or data being collected, and we won't be seeing the delistings for some time.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:34 PM, JäKë T <can_kic...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Also 208.115.116.55:27016 (^) 24/7 DUSTBOWL - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > ClanWoof.com > > > > I can say I know running those fake servers is a dick move, some people ask > why we use them the main reason is because valve never did anything for the > past year that myself and many others have asked them to fix this. > > > > I remember the Q clan running 33+ fake servers for over a year along with > faking player counts on their real servers so that was over 50 servers. > > > > http://club-destroyed.com/fakeclients.jpg > > There was just a few that I took a screen shot of when Q clan was running > those. > > This is not just a tf2 issue, [-Q-] had who knows how many people getting > screwed over in CSS, I notice that the [SiX] group is running the same thing > as well for Tf2 and css. > > > > > > Valve did nothing about this then so last month I though hell why not. > > > > Valve should just fix their side so it blocks the fake clients itself. > > It's not that hard if you ask me, every game tracking website out there > pretty much blocks the fake client servers from being ranked. > > > > Or at least they block the servers without any real person playing does not > show up. > > I noticed when someone was really in a fake server it showed up on their > list. > > but only as 1/32. > > > > http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?search=96.48.175.152:27015 > > > > If they can do that why does valve not do the same thing? > > > > Here is another clan I notice doing the same thing for the past few months. > > > > > > 216.6.236.151:27015 24/7 Goldrush/Badwater [FastRespawn/HLstatsX] > 216.6.236.135:27015 24/7 Dustbowl [Fast Respawn/HLstatsX] > 216.6.236.148:27015 24/7 Rotation Server [Customs/HLstatsX] > 216.6.236.150:27015 24/7 Payload [Customs/HLstatsX] > > > > I noticed that they redirect to these servers > > > 216.83.33.145:27015 (-TN-) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > 216.83.33.146:27015 (-TN-) 24/7 DUSTBOWL - FASTRESPAWN/HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > 216.83.33.147:27015 (-TN-) PAYLOAD ROTATION - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > 216.83.33.148:27015 (-TN-) ROTATION SERVER - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > > > Redirect/fake servers worked for that clan, I remember > his servers being empty 23/7 for a good year then one day all of his > servers > magically got full. > > > > I kind of laugh at the few above though, poor guy is renting those fake > servers so he can use it as a redirect. > > Guess he did not know his home connection is able to run them fine. > > > > I don't mind closing my fake servers down myself, just rather see valve fix > this issue so it can stop the other servers I notice doing this for css and > tf2. > > > > [SiX] use this but in a way thats harder to tell for most people. > > They run the same thing as [-Q-] has it would show fake scores and ping on > their fake clients. > > > > I'm using just shows a empty server if you view the game info so it's > pretty easy to tell who's using it. > > > > All I want is a fix for this whole thing, as a person can run as many fake > servers as they want on a server. Mine have not been delisted and it's been > running for a month now. > > > > Even if someone is able to run this for a week before valve delists them, > how hard is it to switch their ip if it's run at a data center? Even at > their house... > > Delisting their servers I'm sure will not stop people from doing this, it > just needs a fix. > > > > Sorry to those who are not running fake clients. > > http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?t=74304 > > > > Maybe if valve see's how the script works they could fix it? > > I sure hope so. > > > > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:28:18 +0100 > > From: anakin...@gmail.com > > To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting > > > > I got a friend to try 2 of them, and they redirected to: > > > > 208.115.117.85:27015 (^) ROTATION SERVER - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > ClanWoof.com > > 208.115.117.84:27015 (^) 24/7 BADWATER/GOLDRUSH - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > > ClanWoof.com > > > > Searching in the server browser, there are some others with similar > > ip/names, I guess it's the others servers they redirect to: > > > > 208.115.116.51:27016 (^) Custom Maps - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING ClanWoof.com > > 208.115.116.56:27015 (^) 24/7 EGYPT - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING ClanWoof.com > > 208.115.116.57:27016 (^) Payload Rotation - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > ClanWoof.com > > 208.115.117.86:27015 (^) 24/7 2Fort - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING ClanWoof.com > > 208.115.117.87:27015 (^) 24/7 2FORT #2 - HLSTATSX/RECRUITING > ClanWoof.com > > > > 2009/3/15 AnAkIn . <anakin...@gmail.com> > > > > > I don't have TF2 here, I can't check. > > > > > > I see people being disconnected immediately after connecting, that's > why I > > > guess they are redirect. > > > > > > 2009/3/15 ics <i...@ics-base.net> > > > > > > Did you check where they redirect to? Who's the culprit? > > >> > > >> -ics > > >> > > >> AnAkIn . kirjoitti: > > >> > Some people seem to be running lot of redirects. > > >> > > > >> > All on the same IP, 31/32 or 23/24, but all fake clients, and still > in > > >> the > > >> > server browser: > > >> > > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27015 24/7 Goldrush/Badwater RECRUITING > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27016 GoldRush BadWater [ReCruItinG/HlStaTx] > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27017 Seattle Custom Rotation Fast Downloads > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27018 24/7 EGYPT ReCruItinG/HlStaTx > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27019 EGYPT -=Westcoast=- [HlstatsX recruiting] > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27025 2FORT for life recruiting +stats > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27027 24/7 Custom Maps Rotation FUNTIMES > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27029 2Fort hlstats recruiting - faclan.com > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27031 [Fun] 24/7 2fort > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27033 2fort RECRUITING (-aMa-) HlSTATSX > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27035 payload rotation Fak.net Recruiting HlSTATSX > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27038 Payload\Customs drunkgamers.org hlstastx > recruiting > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27040 Rotation server all stock hlstatsx recruiting > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27042 Dustbowl Recruiting www.Fkkclan.com > > >> > 96.48.175.152:27044 Rotation server all stock hlstatsx recruiting > > >> > > > >> > Strange they're not delisted yet. > > >> > > > >> > 2009/3/15 Donnie Newlove <donnie.newl...@gmail.com> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> No problem. Configure your server to just first move AFK players to > > >> >> spectator and then kick only if the server is full (reserved slots > not > > >> >> included). This is good both for the AFK player, your servers > player > > >> >> count and the score will not be affected since if your server is > full > > >> >> you will receive plenty of score anyway. > > >> >> > > >> >> Next. > > >> >> > > >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 10:41 PM, <gamead...@127001.org> wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >>> You also don't want to spend this amount of time trying to > > >> second-guess > > >> >>> > > >> >> the > > >> >> > > >> >>> system. In the simple case, there's no way in hell kicking someone > > >> for > > >> >>> being afk is going to push your server into the > > >> >>> very-high-connections-very-low-playing-time zone that they used to > > >> >>> > > >> >> identify > > >> >> > > >> >>> player-hostile servers. In the complex case, _NOT_ kicking afk > > >> players > > >> >>> > > >> >> will > > >> >> > > >> >>> have a larger effect on the rest of your community that leaving > them > > >> >>> > > >> >> around > > >> >> > > >> >>> ever could. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Imo people's energies would be better focused focusing on their > > >> community > > >> >>> and setting aside paranoia about the unfeasibly unlikely > possibility > > >> of a > > >> >>> normal server being caught out by this until it actually happens. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >> >>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > hlds_linux- > > >> >>>> boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Guy Watkins > > >> >>>> Sent: 14 March 2009 21:26 > > >> >>>> To: 'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list' > > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> } -----Original Message----- > > >> >>>> } From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > >> hlds_linux- > > >> >>>> } boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Brian Rak > > >> >>>> } Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:10 AM > > >> >>>> } To: hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > > >> >>>> } Subject: [hlds_linux] TF2 Delisting > > >> >>>> } > > >> >>>> } > > >> >>>> } D) Does getting kicked/banned from a server effect it's > position? > > >> >>>> There > > >> >>>> } are a number of server plugins that kick players shortly after > they > > >> >>>> } connect for various reasons, (ex: Steambans, Sourcebans, > various > > >> >>>> other > > >> >>>> } banning plugins). Are servers going to be negatively effected > > >> >>>> because > > >> >>>> } they kick bad clients? > > >> >>>> } > > >> >>>> } - Brian "devicenull" Rak > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> You also don't want an AFK kicker! > > >> >>>> Maybe just move these players to spec and mute them. Then kick > them > > >> >>>> after > > >> >>>> 45 minutes. Unless your server is full. 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