I think I can fix our forum vs email problem with both sides being happy. :D
Just got a coding idea. We'll see where it goes. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Eric Riemers <riem...@binkey.nl> wrote: > > I prefer the mailinglist, tons of reasons why i would want that more then a > forum (ease of use being one of them) > > But if we *have* to move to the forums, at least make it so that we have > our own section only for server maintainers, say for instance only people > with a registered server with good standings is allowed to post there. > Granted it might not be bullit proof but it might keep at least 90% of the > non-relevant forum people out there. And ofcourse, assuming this has push > alerts (with full reply for ease of use?) > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:03:08 +0300, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: >> I prefer mailing list. Just because it's easy to use while reading >> regular e-mail and you can just pick a message to read easily, delete >> immediately the rest that you don't need. On forum, you have to browse >> around on many threads and it's very time consuming. I also hate the >> SPUF style where you just get post to your mail that happened after your >> reply and the messages after that are ignored untill i visit the forum >> again. Forums might be clean first but full of dirt later. Too many >> immature people there, way less here on this list. >> >> People go crazy on forums whenever someone from Valve replies, they want >> to contribute. I'ts a mess there. Benefit on forums is the the easier >> search and messages browsing if you prefer reading all once a week and >> have time to go through all the messages. The count of messages that >> should not be posted would rise high too. It would be harder to find the >> thing you are looking for. It's good for historians. How many people >> browse old messages anyway and why? To check something or find answer? >> Isn't wiki for the answers better or some sort of section "how to run a >> server for dummies". >> >> The recent change where there's as much as ~10 people been around from >> Valve within a month is something i've never seen before. I thought the >> list would live long and the latter closing notice would have been >> proved wrong but i guess there is pressure to close the list down. This >> is way more convinient than forums. Please do not close this down. >> >> -ics >> >> >> 25.10.2011 7:28, Andrew kirjoitti: >>> What about adding some kind of easy searching to the mailing list >>> archives? That seems to be only commonly brought up minus to keeping >>> this format. >>> >>> I am able to access them (the archives) with my login, but the >>> standard listings by month and downloadable gzip'ed archives makes >>> searching nontrivial. Improving that would be a big + >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM, m33crob<ad...@m33crob.com> wrote: >>>> I too would prefer to keep the mailing list. If a forum materializes > out >>>> of >>>> this conversation, I would be interested in becoming a moderator. I'm >>>> already super active in the Steam Forums and you guys may or may not >>>> have >>>> noticed that I update the Steam Forums server sections almost everyday. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jesse Molina<je...@opendreams.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I prefer mailing lists, which is why I am here. Discussion and > replies >>>>> are >>>>> below: >>>>> >>>>> I prefer mailing lists because there is a small technical barrier to >>>>> entry. >>>>> Chances are that you had to use a search engine to find it, which >>>>> means you >>>>> probably already tried to find what you were looking for via that >>>>> search >>>>> engine and failed. Many noobs don't even know what a mailman list is, >>>>> and >>>>> that's good. I want to talk to other people who can actually help me. > >>>>> This >>>>> mailing list is not primarily for a social experience. For most >>>>> forums, a >>>>> significant amount of code is dedicated to smileys, avatars, >>>>> signatures, >>>>> friends/foes, etc, because they need the social experience, because >>>>> they are >>>>> ad-revenue driven. The amount of whitespace on web forums, compared > to >>>>> email, is terrible. >>>>> >>>>> Here's a thought: The quality of the discussion is primarily impacted >>>>> by >>>>> how those with authoritative knowledge (Valve employees and pros) >>>>> engage in >>>>> the discussion. If Valve employees were more inclined to participate >>>>> in >>>>> discussion on a web forum, I'd go web forum. I would not cry too hard >>>>> if >>>>> this one mailing list went away. It's just games. >>>>> >>>>> About the archives: Why are they password protected, and why has my >>>>> password never ever worked? From day one, the password that came in > my >>>>> welcome email didn't work and I never tried again. I have never ever >>>>> searched the archives because I can't. >>>>> >>>>> It is nice to have a single point of discussion for issues, as opposed >>>>> to >>>>> many different sites and applications. As an example, I am an > aquarium >>>>> hobbyist, and I often visit five different web forums because each has >>>>> some >>>>> specialty, or the community is fractured up. This is annoying. This >>>>> is >>>>> also why I don't check forums.srcds.com but once in a great while. >>>>> >>>>> I've never seen a duel-pane message board reader that worked well. I >>>>> see >>>>> browsing message boards as messy business. I use mutt and Seamonkey > as >>>>> my >>>>> mail clients, depending on where I'm at. >>>>> >>>>> I use my android phone to check email. Checking a web forum would be >>>>> significantly more difficult. I would not do it, at all. I check >>>>> email, >>>>> rss, and podcasts with my phone. Web forums are iPhone/Android >>>>> unfriendly. >>>>> My Android client is k9mail. >>>>> >>>>> Some people brought up the issue of email spam because they fear > giving >>>>> out >>>>> the mail address. Use a spam filter. I don't get spam because I have >>>>> my >>>>> own server with Spamassassin running. If you are using a free mail >>>>> provider, you get what you pay for (adverts). Business and >>>>> professionals >>>>> use email. I wish I had more pleasant advice to give out, but that's >>>>> the >>>>> truth. >>>>> >>>>> What about a forum that sends out email update announcements? I don't >>>>> use >>>>> those myself, with a very few exceptions of where I really must. This >>>>> is >>>>> mostly because most of those forums have a very low signal to noise >>>>> ratio. >>>>> I only click on a very few threads. In other words, my > participation >>>>> level >>>>> is lower with web forums. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Replies: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kigen wrote: >>>>>> Honestly, I don't like getting my inbox spammed with these messages. >>>>> That is what mail rules/filters are for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> DarthNinja wrote: >>>>>> I don't like the idea of forums, because it's a passive stream of >>>>>> data. >>>>>> People have to visit to check up on topics. >>>>>> People are just a lot less likely to reply to things in a forum >>>>> environment. >>>>> >>>>> I agree. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> msleeper wrote: >>>>>> Valve, I'm sorry, but your forum population is about as dumb as >>>>>> facepunch, and I hope you realize it. >>>>> Harsh, but true. >>>>> >>>>> This is why I signed up for the mailing list. I am pro network >>>>> engineer/unix sysadmin, but I didn't know anything about srcds servers >>>>> a >>>>> year ago. I needed a place where I could come to for technical help > on >>>>> server administration related tasks. I did not come to discuss > in-game >>>>> content issues at all -- such issues are good for the main forums. >>>>> >>>>> That being said, let's face it: More than half of the people on this >>>>> (linux) mailing list doesn't know what a pipe, |, does on the bash >>>>> command >>>>> line. Their preferred editor is the pico clone nano. Just gotta put >>>>> up >>>>> with it... or maybe even help a noob once in awhile. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steffen Schmolinske wrote: >>>>>> I'd like to have a forum just for the sake of proper archives& > search >>>>>> functions. >>>>> Valve is, right now, actively stopping you from having this. Ask them >>>>> why >>>>> they are doing that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ryan Stecker wrote: >>>>>> I would love a forum. I don't think the mailing list provides any >>>>>> decent >>>>>> method of searching, >>>>> Again, Valve is stopping you from having this. Ask them why they are >>>>> doing >>>>> that. Why are they taking away from you something that you would >>>>> otherwise >>>>> have? They have deliberately password protected the archives and >>>>> prevent >>>>> search engines from searching them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> msleeper wrote: >>>>>> the main reason the list fails >>>>>> (and moving SPUF would only make it worse) is that most people post >>>>>> crap nobody needs to hear or wants to read and isn't useful. >>>>>> ... >>>>>> And guess what - we don't care about or need to hear about you > telling >>>>>> us that. Shut up, keep your stupid opinions to yourselves, and maybe >>>>>> there wouldn't be a "problem" in the first place. >>>>> Jesse Porter wrote: >>>>>> The >>>>>> farther away from server maintenance and updates the discussion get, >>>>>> the >>>>>> less interest I have (recent discussion on classes, etc). >>>>> This is just the classic pros vs noobs thing. Reference ESR's Asking >>>>> Smart >>>>> Questions, which most have not read, or even heard of. >>>>> >>>>> Because this mailing list involves video games, it has a youth and >>>>> stupid-noob factor -- not to be mistaken as the same issue. I don't >>>>> think >>>>> that can be helped. A FAQ to throw at them every time they failed to >>>>> google >>>>> it might help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> # Jesse Molina >>>>> # Mail = je...@opendreams.net >>>>> # Page = page-je...@opendreams.net >>>>> # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 >>>>> # Web = >>>>> http://www.opendreams.net/**jesse/<http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux<http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
