Forum = moderation. On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Kigen <theki...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I can fix our forum vs email problem with both sides being happy. > :D > > Just got a coding idea. We'll see where it goes. > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Eric Riemers <riem...@binkey.nl> wrote: > > > > I prefer the mailinglist, tons of reasons why i would want that more then > a > > forum (ease of use being one of them) > > > > But if we *have* to move to the forums, at least make it so that we have > > our own section only for server maintainers, say for instance only people > > with a registered server with good standings is allowed to post there. > > Granted it might not be bullit proof but it might keep at least 90% of > the > > non-relevant forum people out there. And ofcourse, assuming this has push > > alerts (with full reply for ease of use?) > > > > On Tue, 25 Oct 2011 08:03:08 +0300, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > >> I prefer mailing list. Just because it's easy to use while reading > >> regular e-mail and you can just pick a message to read easily, delete > >> immediately the rest that you don't need. On forum, you have to browse > >> around on many threads and it's very time consuming. I also hate the > >> SPUF style where you just get post to your mail that happened after your > >> reply and the messages after that are ignored untill i visit the forum > >> again. Forums might be clean first but full of dirt later. Too many > >> immature people there, way less here on this list. > >> > >> People go crazy on forums whenever someone from Valve replies, they want > >> to contribute. I'ts a mess there. Benefit on forums is the the easier > >> search and messages browsing if you prefer reading all once a week and > >> have time to go through all the messages. The count of messages that > >> should not be posted would rise high too. It would be harder to find the > >> thing you are looking for. It's good for historians. How many people > >> browse old messages anyway and why? To check something or find answer? > >> Isn't wiki for the answers better or some sort of section "how to run a > >> server for dummies". > >> > >> The recent change where there's as much as ~10 people been around from > >> Valve within a month is something i've never seen before. I thought the > >> list would live long and the latter closing notice would have been > >> proved wrong but i guess there is pressure to close the list down. This > >> is way more convinient than forums. Please do not close this down. > >> > >> -ics > >> > >> > >> 25.10.2011 7:28, Andrew kirjoitti: > >>> What about adding some kind of easy searching to the mailing list > >>> archives? That seems to be only commonly brought up minus to keeping > >>> this format. > >>> > >>> I am able to access them (the archives) with my login, but the > >>> standard listings by month and downloadable gzip'ed archives makes > >>> searching nontrivial. Improving that would be a big + > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:24 PM, m33crob<ad...@m33crob.com> wrote: > >>>> I too would prefer to keep the mailing list. If a forum materializes > > out > >>>> of > >>>> this conversation, I would be interested in becoming a moderator. I'm > >>>> already super active in the Steam Forums and you guys may or may not > >>>> have > >>>> noticed that I update the Steam Forums server sections almost > everyday. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jesse Molina<je...@opendreams.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I prefer mailing lists, which is why I am here. Discussion and > > replies > >>>>> are > >>>>> below: > >>>>> > >>>>> I prefer mailing lists because there is a small technical barrier to > >>>>> entry. > >>>>> Chances are that you had to use a search engine to find it, which > >>>>> means you > >>>>> probably already tried to find what you were looking for via that > >>>>> search > >>>>> engine and failed. Many noobs don't even know what a mailman list > is, > >>>>> and > >>>>> that's good. I want to talk to other people who can actually help > me. > > > >>>>> This > >>>>> mailing list is not primarily for a social experience. For most > >>>>> forums, a > >>>>> significant amount of code is dedicated to smileys, avatars, > >>>>> signatures, > >>>>> friends/foes, etc, because they need the social experience, because > >>>>> they are > >>>>> ad-revenue driven. The amount of whitespace on web forums, compared > > to > >>>>> email, is terrible. > >>>>> > >>>>> Here's a thought: The quality of the discussion is primarily > impacted > >>>>> by > >>>>> how those with authoritative knowledge (Valve employees and pros) > >>>>> engage in > >>>>> the discussion. If Valve employees were more inclined to participate > >>>>> in > >>>>> discussion on a web forum, I'd go web forum. I would not cry too > hard > >>>>> if > >>>>> this one mailing list went away. It's just games. > >>>>> > >>>>> About the archives: Why are they password protected, and why has my > >>>>> password never ever worked? From day one, the password that came in > > my > >>>>> welcome email didn't work and I never tried again. I have never ever > >>>>> searched the archives because I can't. > >>>>> > >>>>> It is nice to have a single point of discussion for issues, as > opposed > >>>>> to > >>>>> many different sites and applications. As an example, I am an > > aquarium > >>>>> hobbyist, and I often visit five different web forums because each > has > >>>>> some > >>>>> specialty, or the community is fractured up. This is annoying. This > >>>>> is > >>>>> also why I don't check forums.srcds.com but once in a great while. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've never seen a duel-pane message board reader that worked well. I > >>>>> see > >>>>> browsing message boards as messy business. I use mutt and Seamonkey > > as > >>>>> my > >>>>> mail clients, depending on where I'm at. > >>>>> > >>>>> I use my android phone to check email. Checking a web forum would be > >>>>> significantly more difficult. I would not do it, at all. I check > >>>>> email, > >>>>> rss, and podcasts with my phone. Web forums are iPhone/Android > >>>>> unfriendly. > >>>>> My Android client is k9mail. > >>>>> > >>>>> Some people brought up the issue of email spam because they fear > > giving > >>>>> out > >>>>> the mail address. Use a spam filter. I don't get spam because I > have > >>>>> my > >>>>> own server with Spamassassin running. If you are using a free mail > >>>>> provider, you get what you pay for (adverts). Business and > >>>>> professionals > >>>>> use email. I wish I had more pleasant advice to give out, but that's > >>>>> the > >>>>> truth. > >>>>> > >>>>> What about a forum that sends out email update announcements? I > don't > >>>>> use > >>>>> those myself, with a very few exceptions of where I really must. This > >>>>> is > >>>>> mostly because most of those forums have a very low signal to noise > >>>>> ratio. > >>>>> I only click on a very few threads. In other words, my > > participation > >>>>> level > >>>>> is lower with web forums. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Replies: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Kigen wrote: > >>>>>> Honestly, I don't like getting my inbox spammed with these messages. > >>>>> That is what mail rules/filters are for. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> DarthNinja wrote: > >>>>>> I don't like the idea of forums, because it's a passive stream of > >>>>>> data. > >>>>>> People have to visit to check up on topics. > >>>>>> People are just a lot less likely to reply to things in a forum > >>>>> environment. > >>>>> > >>>>> I agree. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> msleeper wrote: > >>>>>> Valve, I'm sorry, but your forum population is about as dumb as > >>>>>> facepunch, and I hope you realize it. > >>>>> Harsh, but true. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is why I signed up for the mailing list. I am pro network > >>>>> engineer/unix sysadmin, but I didn't know anything about srcds > servers > >>>>> a > >>>>> year ago. I needed a place where I could come to for technical help > > on > >>>>> server administration related tasks. I did not come to discuss > > in-game > >>>>> content issues at all -- such issues are good for the main forums. > >>>>> > >>>>> That being said, let's face it: More than half of the people on this > >>>>> (linux) mailing list doesn't know what a pipe, |, does on the bash > >>>>> command > >>>>> line. Their preferred editor is the pico clone nano. Just gotta put > >>>>> up > >>>>> with it... or maybe even help a noob once in awhile. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Steffen Schmolinske wrote: > >>>>>> I'd like to have a forum just for the sake of proper archives& > > search > >>>>>> functions. > >>>>> Valve is, right now, actively stopping you from having this. Ask > them > >>>>> why > >>>>> they are doing that. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ryan Stecker wrote: > >>>>>> I would love a forum. I don't think the mailing list provides any > >>>>>> decent > >>>>>> method of searching, > >>>>> Again, Valve is stopping you from having this. Ask them why they are > >>>>> doing > >>>>> that. Why are they taking away from you something that you would > >>>>> otherwise > >>>>> have? They have deliberately password protected the archives and > >>>>> prevent > >>>>> search engines from searching them. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> msleeper wrote: > >>>>>> the main reason the list fails > >>>>>> (and moving SPUF would only make it worse) is that most people post > >>>>>> crap nobody needs to hear or wants to read and isn't useful. > >>>>>> ... > >>>>>> And guess what - we don't care about or need to hear about you > > telling > >>>>>> us that. Shut up, keep your stupid opinions to yourselves, and maybe > >>>>>> there wouldn't be a "problem" in the first place. > >>>>> Jesse Porter wrote: > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> farther away from server maintenance and updates the discussion get, > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> less interest I have (recent discussion on classes, etc). > >>>>> This is just the classic pros vs noobs thing. Reference ESR's Asking > >>>>> Smart > >>>>> Questions, which most have not read, or even heard of. > >>>>> > >>>>> Because this mailing list involves video games, it has a youth and > >>>>> stupid-noob factor -- not to be mistaken as the same issue. I don't > >>>>> think > >>>>> that can be helped. A FAQ to throw at them every time they failed to > >>>>> google > >>>>> it might help. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> # Jesse Molina > >>>>> # Mail = je...@opendreams.net > >>>>> # Page = page-je...@opendreams.net > >>>>> # Cell = 1.602.323.7608 > >>>>> # Web = > >>>>> http://www.opendreams.net/**jesse/<http://www.opendreams.net/jesse/> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>>> please visit: > >>>>> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/**mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux< > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
