Actually, day two is already here. http://www.teamfortress.com/mvm/mercs/
Any ideas what the map names will be so we can setup some servers that will restart when the updates comes out and instantly load up on the new maps? On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 8:38 PM, doc <drga...@gmail.com> wrote: >> True but there just is a limit to the amount of players you can support. >> Sure they could enable 64 players but it's completely broken, out of >> resources, not designed for that. >> >> There comes a time in brainstorming where you just have to draw the line. >> People were able to set up vs. Saxton Hale, and Prop Hunt, and all sorts of >> other fun gamemodes that didn't require a raising of what is essentially a >> hard limit. >> >> I feel like the people asking for more slots don't understand the many >> important reasons there is this "arbitrary" limit. I don't think this is >> Valve stomping on the server owner, if anything they've bent over backwards >> trying to keep the community modding and server operators happy. >> >> We haven't even been shown day 2 of MVM and people are >> already clamoring for the code behind MVM be changed to better fit all this >> crazy theorycrafting about what the gamemode MIGHT be like. >> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Nomaan Ahmad <n0man....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Class restriction was just an example... we need to experiment before you >>> can stay its rubbish tbh... >>> There are other things server operators can try but we need some unofficial >>> support to allow increased slots. >>> >>> Its up to the communities how they want their servers.. If you dont like >>> servers with more than 24 slots or you lag on them... simple, don't play on >>> them. If their servers are unbalanced or configured badly, I'm sure players >>> will leave and they wont have populated server anyway. Or do you carry on >>> playing on them? I know I don't... >>> >>> On 14 August 2012 23:33, dan <needa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> >>> > On 14/08/2012 22:40, Nomaan Ahmad wrote: >>> > >>> >> Some servers ops will know how to make it balanced... class limiting is >>> >> one >>> >> of them. >>> >> >>> > >>> > No they don't. Class limiting is a flawed approach. It suggests that if >>> > you assign forced roles that the game will be good. It won't be. It just >>> > means the 2 or 3 engineers you have will be halfwits and the one guy that >>> > can play engineer has to watch these halfwits in frustration. The only >>> time >>> > highlander and class limits works is when you have organised teams and >>> > matches and then you can say "Bill, you be the medic...John, you play >>> > engineer" and so on. >>> > >>> > Yes it sucks if you have 5 spies and 5 snipers on a team, but the truth >>> > is, forcing these guys to play a different class won't help. It's far >>> > better to let people play what class they want and use that data to see >>> > they are all buffoons. They'll see it when they lose and you'll see it >>> when >>> > you join so you can, if you want, just hit 'change server' and find a >>> round >>> > that will be better. >>> > >>> > Of course, from a server admin point of view the idea the best way to >>> find >>> > a good round is to hit 'change server' isn't that appealing, hence the >>> > flawed attempts to try and mess things around instead. >>> > >>> > You can't turn a buffoon into a good player by making him play a >>> different >>> > class, nor a team of buffoons into a good team using the same method. >>> > >>> > As I said in another post, generally speaking, increasing the number of >>> > players, reducing the number of shots you need to kill or removing the >>> > penalty for death are all designed to hide differences in skill between >>> > players and teams. >>> > >>> > Or in other words, people play on 32 man, instant spawn servers (and >>> Robin >>> > runs around with his OP rocket launcher or people pay saigns for silly >>> > weapons and abilities) because it helps hide the fact they suck. >>> > >>> > With 12v12 with respawn timers (and things like nocrit) you will see >>> which >>> > players on the server can play better than the others and which team is >>> > better - especially if both teams are motivated towards the objective. >>> > >>> > Their skill will be more evident (although as the comp players will tell >>> > you, 6v6 is better than 12v12 for that) But, unfortunately, it will >>> > generally result in average and below players spending a lot of time >>> > spectating and losing rounds. >>> > >>> > Which obviously for them is a worse experience than having a 3 hour round >>> > that no one wins (or that one team can trivially win because there are >>> some >>> > trivial ways to win with instant spawn, especially when you have weapons >>> > like the dead ringer) >>> > >>> > It's a lot easier to configure a server badly than it is to get better at >>> > playing it too. >>> > So it's no real surprise there's a player base happy to play on servers >>> > configured this way. >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dan >>> > >>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> > please visit: >>> > https://list.valvesoftware.**com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
