Why are you so worried about it taking screenshots? They said it can only take shots of game footage.
I think this is a great idea and should not be patched. It's probably the most indefinite proof that someone is cheating. And having their steam id and everything would get them out of a community that would be better without any cheaters. If you want to use hacks, stand up your own server and pay for it then see how many people stay there. -----Original Message----- From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Drogen Viech Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 11:19 AM To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TriggerBot/Prediction hack(Crit hack/No spread) detection plugin Will "alias jpeg" and "alias screenshot" prevent this from taking screenshots? 2012/9/10 Drogen Viech <drogenvi...@googlemail.com>: > He should atleast force a tag into sv_tags when this plugin is > installed so i can avoid all those servers > > 2012/9/10 ics <i...@ics-base.net>: >> Like i said you wouldn't even care if you didn't know about such >> feature existed on this plugin. Anakin isn't some mojo from backalley >> who tries to exploit everyone. Plugin takes screenshots that reveal >> cheaters. Nothing else. Granted, you don't know that for sure as it >> isn't open source but that's what it does. >> >> I¨'m all in for extra tools to get cheaters out as we ban more >> cheaters than VAC catches (if we look back 2 months after ban was >> issued by us, VAC doesn't get nearly all of them). I'm even helping >> with reporting every single cheater through Steamcommunity because i know it also helps. >> >> -ics >> >> 10.9.2012 17:54, Drogen Viech kirjoitti: >> >>> The difference is that it's common knowledge that punkbuster takes >>> screenshots, whereas it is done in some obscure and hidden way in >>> anakins plugin, i really hope these exploits are going to be fixed >>> >>> 2012/9/10 ics <i...@ics-base.net>: >>>> >>>> I know what it does and i'm fine with it. Open Source isn't always >>>> best solution especially on anticheat systems as cheat developers >>>> can see what it does and do countermeasures. I'm also pretty sure >>>> Valve will do something that kills the screenshot feature as they >>>> did long ago to server plugins that were able to execute commands >>>> on clients. >>>> >>>> -ics >>>> >>>> 10.9.2012 17:40, Ross Bemrose kirjoitti: >>>> >>>>> (I added hlds to the To list as well, since this affects both >>>>> Windows and Linux servers) >>>>> >>>>> The problem is that it appears to be running client commands that >>>>> the server isn't supposed to have access to. AND uploading files >>>>> from a client's machine back to the server. AND sending them to >>>>> the author of the plugin; you did catch that part, right? >>>>> >>>>> The plugin's author won't even send the source code to the admins >>>>> of ETF2L, let alone anyone else. Which means, unless you >>>>> decompile it, you have no idea what it's doing. Heck, even if you >>>>> DO decompile it, you may have no idea what it's doing... >>>>> decompilation isn't exactly the easiest thing to read. >>>>> >>>>> So... you have Security by Obscurity that is itself bypassing the >>>>> game client's security. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/10/2012 10:35 AM, ics wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Presumably it's all there in the SDK and i have to say it's an >>>>>> awesome feature. If i would have to guess, Valve propably uses >>>>>> same thing on VAC as extra proof of cheating. >>>>>> >>>>>> No one wouldn't even be alarmed if they didn't know such feature >>>>>> exists on this plugin or on the server they play on. I tested >>>>>> this yesterday and already got 1 cheater caught. Besides, it only >>>>>> takes screenshots. No desktop shots, just ingame footage. >>>>>> >>>>>> -ics >>>>>> >>>>>> 10.9.2012 16:47, Drogen Viech kirjoitti: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What the hell? Servers can tell the client to take screenshots >>>>>>> *and* tell them to upload them to the server? Whatever happened >>>>>>> about privacy? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2012/9/8 lwf <l...@rocketblast.com>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-21038/page-24/?recent=4067 >>>>>>>> 17#post-406387 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is absolutely brilliant, great job! Now just imagine >>>>>>>> having something like Greenlight to go through those... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not even going to bother asking you to open source it but >>>>>>>> please, at least consider releasing a "stable" version with >>>>>>>> that doesn't open connection (no auto-update or reports to you >>>>>>>> or anywhere else, no >>>>>>>> offense) and has no undocumented features (now or later). I'd >>>>>>>> really like to use this, we should have had this long ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 7:23 PM, AnAkIn . <anakin...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As Valve is too lazy to do anything about hacks, I started >>>>>>>>> working back in January on a plugin that can detect: >>>>>>>>> - POTENTIAL triggerbotters >>>>>>>>> - Prediction hacks (crit hacks/no spread hacks) >>>>>>>>> - An anti-speedhack bypass exploit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Triggerbots: >>>>>>>>> To make it clear as some people I gave it to didnt >>>>>>>>> understand, the detection is kind of heuristic (I wont >>>>>>>>> explain in detail, if I do then the cheat coders will bypass >>>>>>>>> it in no time), so its not because someone got detected that >>>>>>>>> he is surely cheating. Its just a tool to help you find >>>>>>>>> people that can potentially cheat and you can just check the >>>>>>>>> STV demos then to confirm that they cheat or not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The most detections for a single person in the less timespan >>>>>>>>> you will find in the log, the more likely he is using a >>>>>>>>> triggerbot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prediction hacks: >>>>>>>>> I guess this is what will interest most people on this list, >>>>>>>>> it detects the crit hacks that does 100% crits all the time >>>>>>>>> which is an engine exploit which has been added into many >>>>>>>>> hacks lately. It's also used for various no spread/low spread >>>>>>>>> hacks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The detections get printed to a log called >>>>>>>>> TriggerBotDetections.log in tf/ (and are also sent to me) on >>>>>>>>> EVERY MAP change or when all players have disconnected from >>>>>>>>> the server. Its important to note this otherwise you could >>>>>>>>> loose all the detections (especially if your server >>>>>>>>> automatically restarts every night). There is a simple reason >>>>>>>>> for this: writing in a file while you play can cause lags, >>>>>>>>> especially if someone is getting detected a lot. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Download: >>>>>>>>> http://tftrue.redline-utilities.net/TriggerBotDetector.zip >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>> AnAkIn >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_l >>>>>>>>> inux >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_li >>>>>>>> nux >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_lin >>>>>>> ux >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linu >>>>>> x >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, please visit: >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, please visit: >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, please visit: >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
