Yeah I wouldn't think so either. We don't change anything else that could cause it. Our server.cfg has nothing that would disqualify us from Quickplay and we run nothing but Quickplay eligible maps. We don't set any tags manually. The only plugins we have that set tags themselves are SourcemodDJ and GameME. Every other tag is controlled by srcds itself. I'm thankful I even thought to go check this. I normally wouldn't of thought to because we're in compliance with the tag policies and Quickplay policies. Our server was low on the players for the past day or two and it didn't make any sense. So I went to check it and then there it was, blacklisted.
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 5:08 PM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > That shouldn't be the reason for why you got de-listed. At least I hope > not. > > You are using functions built in to the game by valve and those functions > are what control tags. > > Perhaps you had some other tag missing or it's just an error on valve's > part. > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Essay Tew Phaun <sc2p...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > The servers are all started as 32 player servers, sv_visiblemaxplayers is > > set to 24 players. Once 23 players join the sv_visiblemaxplayers is set > to > > 32 players. The tag "increased_maxplayers" is then applied. This isn't a > > violation of the tag rules, which is what it's showing we were delisted > > for. > > > > On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Ross Bemrose <rbemr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > "When the server is above 24 players" ? > > > > > > Doesn't that deserve some sort of explanation? Like, as in how are you > > > adjusting the player count? > > > > > > > > > On 2/17/2013 4:21 PM, Essay Tew Phaun wrote: > > > > > >> fwiw, I haven't appealed to neither Todd nor McKay to make these > posts. > > >> McKay has developed several of the plugins for our community and has > > >> access > > >> to our systems. I would hope it counts for something that a SourceMod > > >> plugin approver is vouching for us. I really am at a loss for why this > > >> delisting could have happened. We don't manually set tags anywhere and > > we > > >> don't attempt to remove tags. The server that got delisted runs pretty > > >> much > > >> vanilla. No modified respawn times, when bots are online they are > > >> reflected > > >> in the auto-added "bots" tag. When the server is above 24 players it > is > > >> reflected in "increased_maxplayers". I have emailed Tony, Eric, > Fletcher > > >> and Mike attempting to get an answer about this and will update the > > thread > > >> when I receive the answer, in case we're somehow breaking a rule, but > I > > >> have no earthly idea what that rule could be. This delisting seems to > > have > > >> happened shortly after this post. > > >> > > >> Here are the tags the currently delisted server has, which are the > same > > >> ones it would have had before the delisting: > > >> > > >> "sv_tags" = "SMDJ,_registered,bots,ctf,**gameME,replays" > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Todd Pettit <pettit.t...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> I agree I have a good relationship with their community and the > > >>> definitely > > >>> obey all of valve's rules. > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Doctor McKay" <li...@doctormckay.com> > > >>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > >>> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.**com < > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com > > >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:51:26 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Reminder about server tags > > >>> > > >>> I can vouch for him in that he's not breaking any rules. > > >>> > > >>> Dr. McKay > > >>> http://www.doctormckay.com > > >>> > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > >>> From: Essay Tew Phaun > > >>> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:15 PM > > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [hlds] Reminder about server tags > > >>> > > >>> Just wanted to say that we've had a server blacklisted for the > reason: > > >>> > > >>> <message> > > >>> Server browser not reporting required tags (e.g. > increased_maxplayers, > > >>> bots, etc) > > >>> </message> > > >>> > > >>> And we've always obeyed the tag rules. We don't use any plugins that > > aim > > >>> to > > >>> remove them and any features we use, such as bots and > > >>> increased_maxplayers > > >>> automatically change the sv_tags and we've made no attempts at all to > > >>> remove them. This has to be a mistake on Valves part, the server of > > ours > > >>> which got blacklisted runs the exact same way our other servers run > and > > >>> they're not blacklisted. > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:52 AM, Robert Paulson > > >>> <thepauls...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >>> > > >>> You can see the number of players on the stats page. TF2 is always > in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> > > >>>> top 3 or 4 games. > > >>>> It's 2nd right now. > > >>>> > > >>>> Sure look at the games list during the least active part of the day > > when > > >>>> many of those players are idling in the only game with a huge > > incentive > > >>>> > > >>> to > > >>> > > >>>> idle. Try looking at the list during peak hours. The number of TF2 > > >>>> > > >>> players > > >>> > > >>>> have stagnated and even dropped after 2 huge updates. > > >>>> > > >>>> There are or were big long threads on SPUF moaning about how badly > > TF2 > > >>>>> is > > >>>>> > > >>>> optimised and moaning about how sentry guns should be removed or > such > > >>>> and > > >>>> such are overpowered > > >>>> > > >>>> There's always people complaining about anything. Again, I encourage > > >>>> Fletcher to look at the evidence that people join fast respawn > servers > > >>>> with > > >>>> hidden tags by the boat-load, and stay there all night. And they > don't > > >>>> do > > >>>> it when tags are listed. This should tell you 2 things: there's a > real > > >>>> demand for faster respawn, and not being on quickplay is a huge > > >>>> disadvntage. Again, I don't care > > >>>> > > >>>> The server software is free so I'm not sure what you bought. Was it > > >>>>> > > >>>> some > > >>> > > >>>> magic beans in exchange for a cow? :) > > >>>> > > >>>> I don't know about you but I purchased TF2 with the expectation that > > >>>> servers would be moddable like previous Source games AND not be > > >>>> relegated > > >>>> to a ghetto deprived of new players. You really think people run > > modded > > >>>> servers without buying the game? There is no formal contract saying > > that > > >>>> server owners have any rights, but there is an unspoken one. And it > is > > >>>> up > > >>>> to Valve how much they want to erode this good will so that future > > games > > >>>> don't end up like CS:GO. > > >>>> > > >>>> Anyone that has been looking at TF2 servers now knows that you are > out > > >>>> of > > >>>> touch with what is happening right now. No one is using fake players > > on > > >>>> a > > >>>> large scale anymore. Of course you wouldn't know given your 1 hour > of > > >>>> TF2 > > >>>> per week. > > >>>> > > >>>> This will be my final response to you on this matter. Don't take a > > lack > > >>>> > > >>> of > > >>> > > >>>> response to mean that anyone is convinced by your essay long tirades > > >>>> > > >>> about > > >>> > > >>>> how non-vanilla servers are worthless and that they all cheat. My > only > > >>>> purpose here was to notify Valve to look at the clear evidence. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:11 AM, dan <needa...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On 14/02/2013 22:23, Robert Paulson wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Bring the facts, not your assumptions. Step outside your quickplay > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> bubble > > >>>> > > >>>>> once in a while and notice that there's been a huge drop in players > > on > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> the > > >>>> > > >>>>> server browser. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> No there hasn't, not really. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You can see the number of players on the stats page. TF2 is always > in > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> top 3 or 4 games. > > >>>>> It's 2nd right now. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> 51k peak today. It's not the highest it's ever been, but it's not > the > > >>>>> lowest either. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Player numbers have always risen and fallen in between big updates > > >>>>> appearing. That's nothing new. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> There is probably some seasonal variation, variation based on > school > > >>>>> holidays, and variation caused by other games being released on > steam > > >>>>> > > >>>> too. > > >>>> > > >>>>> Case in point, it wasn't so long ago, just after Halloween, that > > >>>>> Fletcher > > >>>>> pointed out that some of the Valve servers were empty > > >>>>> the lux ones they'd added. These servers are generally full now > (with > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> exception of over night) > > >>>>> I hop from one to another for hours and hours at a time. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So I'd say your rumours of TF2's death are greatly exaggerated. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Given the few complaints about it until now, very few people > care, > > >>>>> and > > >>>>> I > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> don't think I'm alone in not having our rights further eroded > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> What "rights" are these? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I think this thread exists because someone at Valve was reminding > > >>>>> > > >>>> people > > >>> > > >>>> about these tags, > > >>>>> which I imagine precludes your idea that no one is still abusing > them > > >>>>> > > >>>> (I'm > > >>>> > > >>>>> not sure why you think anyone needs to be smart or rich > > >>>>> to do it? It's just a plugin and any buffoon can write a plugin. If > > >>>>> > > >>>> people > > >>>> > > >>>>> have paid significant money for them they must be out of their > tree) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Nor that there are no complaints about them. How do you suppose you > > >>>>> would > > >>>>> hear complaints? Why would someone complain > > >>>>> to you? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> to the point where we can't even change the number of slots on > our > > >>>>> > > >>>> server. > > >>>> > > >>>>> Changing the number of slots occasionally is not a problem I'm > sure. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dynamically changing it to game the quickplay system or fool people > > >>>>> browsing for 24 slot servers clearly is. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> This is my opinion. But I see no reason that won't be the rule > though > > >>>>> because the client lets you restrict servers listed by slot count > and > > >>>>> tells you, if you try to join a server with 32 players, what a load > > of > > >>>>> crap it will be (so don't tell me that's my opinion - it's part of > > the > > >>>>> > > >>>> game) > > >>>> > > >>>>> I'll tell you why I think it's in the game. There are or were big > > long > > >>>>> threads on SPUF moaning about > > >>>>> how badly TF2 is optimised and moaning about how sentry guns should > > be > > >>>>> removed or > > >>>>> such and such are overpowered - and 9/10 times, after about 17 > pages > > of > > >>>>> back and forth you'd discover it's someone playing on 32 man > instant > > >>>>> > > >>>> spawn > > >>>> > > >>>>> servers that's > > >>>>> decided the game is unbalanced or that is getting performance > issues. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So that's why I think the game tells you that 32 slots is a waste > of > > >>>>> > > >>>> time. > > >>>> > > >>>>> But you can still do it, > > >>>>> the game tells you that you're an idiot if you do. Not me, the > game. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> But, how would the above work if the server you join can change the > > >>>>> > > >>>> player > > >>>> > > >>>>> count? > > >>>>> Answer : it wouldn't. It would suck for anyone looking for 24 > player > > >>>>> servers > > >>>>> if servers changed to 32 slots after they'd joined. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> So you can't cheat with your player counts. They should be legit. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you want 32 players on your server, run a 32 slot server. If you > > >>>>> > > >>>> want > > >>> > > >>>> 24, run 24. > > >>>>> It's not that difficult to do and there's absolutely no reason at > all > > >>>>> to do otherwise. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Many of us > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> bought into TF2 knowing it would be moddable just to have the > custom > > >>>>>> tab > > >>>>>> ghetto, quickplay favoritism, and the loss of attachable models > all > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> forced > > >>>> > > >>>>> onto us. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> The server software is free so I'm not sure what you bought. Was > it > > >>>>> > > >>>> some > > >>> > > >>>> magic beans > > >>>>> in exchange for a cow? :) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Faking tags or player counts with or without plugins to game > > quickplay > > >>>>> or > > >>>>> to trick people using the server browser is not "running a mod" > > >>>>> so I don't really see what your point is here. 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