Random idea: Could we get a way to send just one image (no HTML, no scripts) in place of the text motd? This could let server ops still show a decent looking motd without any sort of foolery. Could they still put an ad there? Sure. But it won't be a flash player, it would have to be (mostly) static.
Thoughts? On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Marco Padovan <e...@evcz.tk> wrote: > I'll be shutting down ~20 servers around europe due to this change, as > there will be no interest for me to spend resources if I can't even put a > nice motd for quickplay users. > I think we will just see the valve paid servers in quickplay ;) > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Erik-jan Riemers <riem...@binkey.nl> > wrote: > > > In the last half year to a year, all my quickplay servers died to almost > 0 > > players on it. I assume its also because of the fast majority of servers > > being put in to make money. All my NON quickplay servers are pretty full > > and even more then it used to be. Now there might be a shift. I dont > think > > i will loose players if they add more non quickplay servers since thats a > > pool of people that dont use quickplay in the first place. > > > > > > 2013/11/7 Todd Pettit <pettit.t...@gmail.com> > > > > > Agreed. but if the vast majority of players connect through quickplay > and > > > it cuts deeply in to server Ad revenue, which seems likely, then admins > > > will be looking elsewhere and those are the logical places to go. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "DontWannaName!" <ad...@topnotchclan.com> > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > Cc: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:02:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support > > > > > > A server can be listed in the browser and still be in quickplay... > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone 5 > > > > > > > On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Todd Pettit <pettit.t...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am just saying there will be more because servers who were relying > > > only on ads to fund their servers or generate revenue will surely move > > into > > > those types of servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Aaron Thompson" <rmesc...@gmail.com> > > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:51:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > support > > > > > > > > There would be regardless if what valve does. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Aaron > > > >> On Nov 6, 2013 6:50 PM, "Todd Pettit" <pettit.t...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Yes and now there will be hundreds more jailbreak, freak fortress > and > > > >> trade servers for you to compete with. > > > >> > > > >> Good show indeed. > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Aaron Thompson" <rmesc...@gmail.com> > > > >> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > >> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:40:53 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > support > > > >> > > > >> I wasn't so sure about this, and honestly doesn't affect me because > I > > > run > > > >> trade servers and jailbreak, but it seems fine. If you join the > > server, > > > you > > > >> don't have to download any HTML junk and don't have to watch any > > > ads...but > > > >> if you like the server, save to favorites and reconnect you see > > whatever > > > >> the HTML page is, depending on whether or not the client has HTML > > > enabled. > > > >> Guys, this is a victory for matchmaking clients who just want to > play > > > and > > > >> not get spammed by the servers they join. I like it. Valve, please > > roll > > > it > > > >> out in a way that doesn't break the game and people like me are cool > > > with > > > >> the change #1. Good show! > > > >> > > > >> Sincerely, > > > >> Aaron > > > >>> On Nov 6, 2013 6:30 PM, "Robert Paulson" <thepauls...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> From what I heard ads needed to be watched for X seconds before > being > > > >> paid. > > > >>> Any communities that were reliant on ads being served to quickplay > > > users > > > >>> would have already shut down by now. > > > >>> > > > >>> This new limitation just seems to serve as an annoyance to > perfectly > > > >>> legitimate server owners rather than to kill off all ad supported > > > >> servers. > > > >>> > > > >>> I hope there will be more people who share my views rather than > > > thinking: > > > >>> oh good Valve is going to shut down more of our competition. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:19 PM, N-Gon <ngongamedes...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Oddly enough, a handful of communities have been shut down because > > of > > > >> the > > > >>>> recent changes. This one will affect a few more. > > > >>>> Can't say I'm saddened by this since those communities were cancer > > to > > > >>> TF2. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Robert Paulson < > > thepauls...@gmail.com > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> Can you tell us the reason for this change? Is there no other > > > >> solution > > > >>>>> rather than removing functionality from the game? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The complaint before was forced ads. Servers cannot resend the > MOTD > > > >> to > > > >>>>> quickplay players anymore so I don't understand why additional > > > >>>> restrictions > > > >>>>> need to be introduced. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> HTML motds are superior to text motds even only shown at > > connection. > > > >>> They > > > >>>>> look better and they allow you to update the page without > rebooting > > > >> the > > > >>>>> server. Especially when it comes to TF2 players, no one is going > to > > > >> pay > > > >>>>> attention to an unformatted wall of text that could contain > > important > > > >>>> rules > > > >>>>> or links to your website. With these new restrictions both the > > > >> webpage > > > >>>> and > > > >>>>> the text file needs to be maintained. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>> <fletch...@valvesoftware.com>wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> It's something enforced by the client, and is a function of how > > > >> they > > > >>>>>> connected to that particular server, not any particular server > > > >>>> settings. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> If they connect via the server browser (or command line, etc) > then > > > >>> they > > > >>>>>> will show HTML. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > > >>>>>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Todd > > > >> Pettit > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 2:41 PM > > > >>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > > > >>> support > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Would those who connected outside of matchmaking be able to use > > > >> html > > > >>> on > > > >>>>>> quickplay enabled servers or does enabling quickplay disable > html > > > >>>>>> completely? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>>>> From: "Valentin G." <nextra...@gmail.com> > > > >>>>>> To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" < > > > >>>>>> hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 6:29:32 PM > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > > > >>> support > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> I'm not concerned about change 1 but change 2 in that regard ;) > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:26 AM, DontWannaName! < > > > >>>> ad...@topnotchclan.com > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Couldn't you just leave the txt file empty? > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 5 > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:22 PM, "Valentin G." < > nextra...@gmail.com > > > >>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> about:blank is no longer valid? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>>>>> <fletch...@valvesoftware.com>wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> That's correct; #2 is a Source engine change. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>>>>>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto: > > > >>>>>>>>> hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Kyle > > > >>>>>>>>> Sanderson > > > >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 3:09 PM > > > >>>>>>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML > MOTD > > > >>>>>>>>> support > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Does the latter impact all Source 2k7 games? > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>>>>> Kyle. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Fletcher Dunn > > > >>>>>>>>> <fletch...@valvesoftware.com>wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> We're making two changes to TF HTML MOTD support that server > > > >>>>>>>>>> operators should be aware of: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1.) HTML MOTD's will no longer be shown by clients that > > > >>>> connect > > > >>>>>> via > > > >>>>>>>>>> quickplay. Those clients will show the plaintext message > > > >>>> instead. > > > >>>>>>>>>> (The file identified by the convar motdfile_text, which > > > >>> defaults > > > >>>>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>> motd_text.txt.) > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 2.) When sending a URL to the "info" panel by name, the > > > >> URL > > > >>>> must > > > >>>>>>> begin > > > >>>>>>>>>> with 'http://' or 'https://'. Note that this change does > > > >> not > > > >>>>>>>>>> affect putting a URL in motd.txt directly, which has always > > > >>>>>>>>>> required a protocol prefix in order for the file contents to > > > >> be > > > >>>>>>>>>> interpreted as a > > > >>>>>>>>> URL. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > > >>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > > > >>>> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > >>>>>>>>> archives, please visit: 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