Not that it was necessary to say so, but although I sound snarky I am anything but. People make comments, I make responses, not sarcasm. So, to respond to an earlier comment about how long ive probably run servers...about 8 years. I started soon after TF2 came out.
I have a love/hate relationship with quickplay. In my opinion it should have either been added before the game was released or never at all. Quickplay started murdering community servers the moment it was mentioned. PC/Mac/Linux TF2 vs console was by far superior and the community servers made it that way. Matchmaking just made the game more like everything else. The good ones who do it right inspire people to be creative. They help form friendships and, in some cases, the complete opposite. I dont hold a grudge tho, cuz im sure at least one person wanted that watered down experience. And yes it sucks that what they ended up doing was potentially blocking new players from finding quickplay renditions of community servers. I never got around to using quickplay to lure in new players, i had very good success just doing it the old fashioned way, by having a gun server that fostered friendships and created loyalties. I am in the process of repairing my remaining server after months of asshats ruining it, coming back to my earlier comment about that percentage of assholes that ruin the game. Anyways, I try to keep an open mind and a positive attitude. I disagree with quickplay completely specifically for the reason that they could have gone about it a different way that was less...invasive. but it's too late now... or forever ago. On May 10, 2016 8:45 AM, "Chris" <the.autoly...@gmail.com> wrote: > Erik-jan Riemers that was the hay day, it's gone now, in my opinion it died > with TFC. > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 2:50 AM, Erik-jan Riemers <riem...@binkey.nl> > wrote: > > > I remember the day we had 300+ euro a month, from donations "random > people" > > without the need of those **** ads. (and yes that all went to servers) > > > > Anyways, if Valve just had something like: New players play for xx hours > on > > Valve server then they would be put to the community servers. Or a popup > > that asks the user "do you want to switch to community servers?" or at > > least have 2 buttons on the main screen "quickplay valve/quickplay > > community" or something like that since they basicly pushed community > > servers away onto the server tab where new players just don't look. > > > > Not to mention that all the restrictions Valve put in place to stop the > bad > > guys, or bad hosters only made those guy change tactic but still exist > > today. But it hurt the right people, destroying their effort into their > > free community, non ads, non cheaters. > > > > Honestly, even if Valve says today "Your right, we will change it right > > now" i think it will be too late to get an active rush of people back > into > > the game. New games came out and people move on too. Overwatch is a half > > copy of TF2, sentry's , push a payload etc etc.. but even that could > > wander of pretty fast.. why? Because i do believe the community with the > > sourcemodding on top of it made TF2 big. Never seen so many mods, same > for > > css and the other srcds titles. > > > > Anyways, if you take things in comparison, how many people still support > a > > game this old? Perhaps they just know its a dead end and only support > > minimum intrest and focus on other things like their platform itself. > Short > > story, they made enough cash on this cow.. perhaps its time to butcher it > > so we can get some dry aged meat for later :P > > > > 2016-05-10 9:29 GMT+02:00 Paul <ubyu....@gmail.com>: > > > > > I agree with Robert. I've been playing Overwatch recently and when it's > > > fully released I doubt I'll play TF2 anymore. Blizzard appears to > > > acknowledge feedback from my initial observations where Valve no longer > > > seems to be and appears to have not done so for a long time, > > unfortunately, > > > which isn't good. > > > > > > On 10 May 2016 at 08:24, Robert Paulson <thepauls...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Well congratulations for being a special little snowflake? Now shut > up > > if > > > > you are not going to say anything useful in a thread related to > > community > > > > server issues, in a mailing list specifically made for community > server > > > > issues, instead of telling us to go to a forum where no Valve > employee > > > ever > > > > reads. > > > > > > > > I am willing to bet most of us here are/were part of communities that > > did > > > > not host on lowest quality $5 servers. We remember a time when > > community > > > > servers were filled for 12 hours a day, every single day of the week. > > > > > > > > It seems like you only started your server in the past year or so > since > > > you > > > > don't know that countless solutions have already been offered and > that > > > > community servers used to have many more players. There's nothing > left > > to > > > > do but to call out Valve on their inaction and total alienation and > > > > betrayal to their community server players/customers. > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Aaron Thompson <rmesc...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > And i pay $5/month for my server so im not crying so much. I can > > afford > > > > to > > > > > be patient. > > > > > On May 10, 2016 12:51 AM, "Aaron Thompson" <rmesc...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Never played quickplay, don't ever intend to, my only gripe was > > after > > > > > > free2play and it lasted like 5 minutes. I can honestly say that I > > > have > > > > no > > > > > > way to contribute to this arguement. However, I CAN say that > > instead > > > > of a > > > > > > bitchfest...why dont you all find a solution that is viable and > > > present > > > > > it > > > > > > to them. If that wad done already, again I do not know anything > in > > > > > regards > > > > > > to this situation. They have continuously updated the game with > new > > > and > > > > > > user created content, nerfing and otherwise and the only problem > I > > > have > > > > > is > > > > > > with a certain population of players who ruin the game for > everyone > > > > > > else...and NO I dont just mean LMAObox users. If anyone killed > TF2 > > it > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > percentage of the people who choose to spend their time there > > making > > > > the > > > > > > game unplayable. > > > > > > On May 10, 2016 12:05 AM, "Eli Witt" <eliw...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Awww, are you ou mad that people who've invested countless > > hundreds > > > of > > > > > >> hours and personal dollars into running Valve's game for them > > have a > > > > > >> legitimate complaint against valve for acting like a bunch of > > > ignorant > > > > > >> douchebags? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You can feel free to unsubscrive too. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 10:54 PM, Aaron Thompson < > > rmesc...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Can you all go rant somewhere else. Some of us don't have your > > > > > problems. > > > > > >> > They have forums for a reason please use them or email them > > > > directly. > > > > > >> > On May 9, 2016 8:14 PM, "Robert Paulson" < > thepauls...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Why could you not blame Valve? They are 100% fully to blame > > for > > > > the > > > > > >> > current > > > > > >> > > state of community servers. I am not sure why you think they > > had > > > > no > > > > > >> > choice > > > > > >> > > and no one should complain. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > You cannot expect every single random person to follow the > > > rules. > > > > > Did > > > > > >> > Valve > > > > > >> > > close free2play because servers are being plagued with > hackers > > > > using > > > > > >> > > lmaobox and making a new account in 20 seconds? No? Then why > > are > > > > all > > > > > >> > > community servers being punished for this identical > situation? > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > The TF2 team was extremely lazy in handling this matter, not > > > even > > > > > >> willing > > > > > >> > > to spend 1 hour a month cleaning up reported servers, and > > > decided > > > > to > > > > > >> > "fix" > > > > > >> > > the issue by essentially giving up. All they had to do was > > ban a > > > > few > > > > > >> > > servers every month taking up less than an hour of their > time. > > > > Even > > > > > if > > > > > >> > they > > > > > >> > > cannot get rid of cheating 100%, it would still be better > than > > > > what > > > > > >> they > > > > > >> > > are doing now. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > All we can hope for now is that Overwatch kills TF2 to show > > > them a > > > > > >> > lesson, > > > > > >> > > but they would probably just keep trying to emulate > Overwatch > > as > > > > > much > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> > > possible rather than reversing all the decisions they made > to > > > kill > > > > > >> > > community servers. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Erik-jan Riemers < > > > > > riem...@binkey.nl> > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > TF2 had its best time... it would have been longer if not > > for > > > > > this. > > > > > >> As > > > > > >> > a > > > > > >> > > > community owner for 8+ years i have always tried to do > good > > by > > > > the > > > > > >> > rules > > > > > >> > > of > > > > > >> > > > Valve. Only to find tons of servers that don't obey those > > > rules. > > > > > >> Valve > > > > > >> > > > tried its best to counter them but ended up hurting the > > > > > communities > > > > > >> > that > > > > > >> > > > didn't do anything wrong. I can't blame Valve, but the > > > > experience > > > > > is > > > > > >> > bad > > > > > >> > > > these days, we used to have a "all maps" server where high > > > > > division > > > > > >> > > players > > > > > >> > > > would come and play, making it interesting for people with > > > > skills. > > > > > >> > Only a > > > > > >> > > > few 'custom' servers are still alive these days, but > haunted > > > by > > > > > >> > cheaters > > > > > >> > > > and people that just want to troll and mic spam. No admins > > are > > > > > there > > > > > >> > > > anymore because nobody wants to babysit a server full of > > kids. > > > > > >> Slowly > > > > > >> > > > closing my TF2 servers. (It's been fun while it lasted) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Regardless, thanks Valve for the times we did have a great > > > > > >> experience > > > > > >> > for > > > > > >> > > > community's. Perhaps one day we might see a TF3. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > 2016-05-05 0:48 GMT+02:00 Vivien FRENOT-MATHEVON < > > > > > >> > > vivien.fre...@gmail.com > > > > > >> > > > >: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Still waiting for a fix. :( > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Le jeu. 5 mai 2016 00:11, Andreas Willinger < > aw...@gmx.at > > > > > > a > > > > > >> écrit : > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > So, Valve, maybe you should update your Wiki and add > > > > > >> "temporary" as > > > > > >> > > > > > "forever" ( > > > > > https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time) > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Two years, various suggestions have been posted, like > > > > > improving > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> > > UI, > > > > > >> > > > > > some > > > > > >> > > > > > sort of verified server system and others, yet not > even > > a > > > > > single > > > > > >> > word > > > > > >> > > > > from > > > > > >> > > > > > Valve. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Can we finally get some sort of response or will we > wait > > > > until > > > > > >> TF2 > > > > > >> > is > > > > > >> > > > > > entirely full of braindead, 12 year-old weekend > > warriors. > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Original text for anyone interested: > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > "At this time, we are keeping the default quickplay > > option > > > > to > > > > > >> Valve > > > > > >> > > > > > servers. > > > > > >> > > > > > However, note that if a player wants to find a server > > with > > > > any > > > > > >> of > > > > > >> > the > > > > > >> > > > > > supported modifications, then they must land on a > > > community > > > > > >> server, > > > > > >> > > > since > > > > > >> > > > > > Valve servers do not run with these settings." > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > 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