On 01/09/2015 01:24, Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:03:47PM -0700, joel jaeggli wrote:
>>>> And that's a well-known issue that the IETF needs to finally tackle:
>>>> source-address failover. 
>>
>> So long as you don't invoke the prospect of either extremely expnesive
>> overlay networks, or globably route scalability go right ahead those are
>> both in play already.
>>
>> Hosts in in absence of state as turns out are rather good at
>> instantaneous renumbering. e.g. as they roam  between networks it
>> remains a mystery to me that networks  containy hosts are less able to
>> cope. I may be in fact that that they are not less able to cope.
> 
> No, that wasn't what I was talking about.  Not "I get a new source address
> and need to cope it", but "I have two source addresses with global scope,
> tried one according to source-selection rules, it did not work, so I 
> should maybe try the other one now?"

Yes, you're correct that shim6 doesn't do that, and has other deployability
issues that I noted. But unless we want every application and/or transport
protocol to contain its own variant of happy eyeballs, this functionality
(suck-it-and-see-until-it-works) would need to be inserted as a shim in the
socket layer or somewhere around there.

I'm not convinced there's a protocol involved, though. It's more a matter
of "history", in the sense used in draft-baker-6man-multi-homed-host.

   Brian

> 
> No network dynamics of any kind involved, just "a normal homenet 
> multi-ISP scenario" (with some breakage "somewhere upstream", not 
> something the host can easily see) - I thought that this would have been 
> obvious from the thread and WG list context.
> 
> The advertised IETF solution for "(SoHo) multihoming" is "multiple global 
> IPv6 addresses", but this does not work yet as well as it could, partly 
> due to this missing piece.
> 
> Gert Doering
>         -- NetMaster
> 

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