Sounds like little blue brackets with "citation needed" are called for in this 
case. Or perhaps a "disputed information" tag. 

If he were to publish something that contained a lot of fingering information, 
would he notate fingerings under his "thumb = F horn" rule, or under what he 
admits is the traditional setting? Would he feel compelled to footnote his 
fingerings with his non-traditional assertion? Are there parallels to be drawn 
in etudes of yore written with ascending 3rd valve horns in mind? 

I'll also disagree that "T" should necessarily be avoided, as someone can 
easily be told what it means, just as the 'pp' dynamic does not mean "plenty 
powerful." What should be used in its place? Besides, fingering notations 
typically are very limited in practical use, mostly to: 

1) Introductory instruction, in which case the teacher should know what he is 
doing enough to explain what a fingering notation means. 
2) Indication that an exercise is to be played on all one fingering, in which 
case it should be obvious to the reader what the fingering means (once again, 
are exercises written for ascending 3rd valve horns explicitly so noted?) 
3) A personalized reminder that a passage is best fingered in a specific way, 
in which case I can use whatever notation is best for me, because the next 
person is likely to erase it and put their own reminder there. 

John Baumgart 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Phillips" <[email protected]> 
To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 8:46:16 AM 
Subject: [Hornlist] Interesting IHS Forum post 

Ricardo Matoshinos has made an interesting post on the IHS Forum 
(http://www.hornsociety.org/en/network/ihs-forum) about notation of horn 
fingerings using T to indicate Bb horn. He makes the following statement: 

"Today most of the world play mostly in Bb-F horn instead of the traditional 
F-Bb so now in fact thumb means F horn..." 

While I certainly agree that T notation is ambiguous and should, for that 
reason, be avoided in any kind of international context, I wonder if the above 
statement is true? 

IHS members, feel free to comment directly in the thread on the forum :-) 

Dan 

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Dan Phillips 
Associate Professor 
Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music 
University of Memphis 
www.prizmensemble.com 

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