Me too, i have to add One Experience in Sao Paulo few Weeks ago in a 5 Star 
Hotel there. I bought me a 24 hrs Internet Access for 7.-USD. You Know what 
Happen ? They Turned off the Router between 11:00 PM and 07:00 AM ...... 
Nothing to add to such stupidity & ignorance ....

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Am 08.06.2011 um 07:11 schrieb Hans Pizka <[email protected]>:

> Hello John,
> 
> The Problem is just, that Most Latinos are INFLEXIBLE and UNWILLING to adopt 
> anything from  
> The OTHER WORLD. That is my Experience. But there are exceptions. Who 
> remembers Antonio Iervolinos very interesting Horn method ? Made with His 
> Best intentions
> But impractical .
> 
> Von meinem iPad gesendet
> 
> Am 07.06.2011 um 22:08 schrieb John Baumgart <[email protected]>:
> 
>> Sounds like little blue brackets with "citation needed" are called for in 
>> this case. Or perhaps a "disputed information" tag. 
>> 
>> If he were to publish something that contained a lot of fingering 
>> information, would he notate fingerings under his "thumb = F horn" rule, or 
>> under what he admits is the traditional setting? Would he feel compelled to 
>> footnote his fingerings with his non-traditional assertion? Are there 
>> parallels to be drawn in etudes of yore written with ascending 3rd valve 
>> horns in mind? 
>> 
>> I'll also disagree that "T" should necessarily be avoided, as someone can 
>> easily be told what it means, just as the 'pp' dynamic does not mean "plenty 
>> powerful." What should be used in its place? Besides, fingering notations 
>> typically are very limited in practical use, mostly to: 
>> 
>> 1) Introductory instruction, in which case the teacher should know what he 
>> is doing enough to explain what a fingering notation means. 
>> 2) Indication that an exercise is to be played on all one fingering, in 
>> which case it should be obvious to the reader what the fingering means (once 
>> again, are exercises written for ascending 3rd valve horns explicitly so 
>> noted?) 
>> 3) A personalized reminder that a passage is best fingered in a specific 
>> way, in which case I can use whatever notation is best for me, because the 
>> next person is likely to erase it and put their own reminder there. 
>> 
>> John Baumgart 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan Phillips" <[email protected]> 
>> To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]> 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2011 8:46:16 AM 
>> Subject: [Hornlist] Interesting IHS Forum post 
>> 
>> Ricardo Matoshinos has made an interesting post on the IHS Forum 
>> (http://www.hornsociety.org/en/network/ihs-forum) about notation of horn 
>> fingerings using T to indicate Bb horn. He makes the following statement: 
>> 
>> "Today most of the world play mostly in Bb-F horn instead of the traditional 
>> F-Bb so now in fact thumb means F horn..." 
>> 
>> While I certainly agree that T notation is ambiguous and should, for that 
>> reason, be avoided in any kind of international context, I wonder if the 
>> above statement is true? 
>> 
>> IHS members, feel free to comment directly in the thread on the forum :-) 
>> 
>> Dan 
>> 
>> ==================== 
>> Dan Phillips 
>> Associate Professor 
>> Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music 
>> University of Memphis 
>> www.prizmensemble.com 
>> 
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